Terps - Page 10

Etoile · 03-08-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

My ASL diction is growing by the minute and I love it! I don't know if you can believe it but for the last month I have learned/memorized some 270 signs!! Using those memory/learning methods mentioned earlier, I think I might be able (I'll try and see) to input all the signs in Costello’s 4,500 word dictionaries. Wouldn't that be just awesome!?

Of course my main objective is not only to learn from books (and such), but also to interact with the Deaf in order to apply my new skills. It is said that learning is knowledge and that wisdom is applied knowledge so I must do both in order to find success (to a degree and area) in what I desire to become- a Terp.

Thank you all again for your support. Please stay with me for I need to lean on you during these initial steps.

AB, keep in mind that you need to interact with deaf people to know if you're making the signs correctly. It's entirely possible to learn wrong when you're relying on still photographs or line drawings. I would recommend meeting some deaf people and making sure you are interpreting the pictures correctly before learning 1500 signs the wrong way.

AquaBlue · 03-08-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Etoile

AB, keep in mind that you need to interact with deaf people to know if you're making the signs correctly. It's entirely possible to learn wrong when you're relying on still photographs or line drawings. I would recommend meeting some deaf people and making sure you are interpreting the pictures correctly before learning 1500 signs the wrong way.

I totally agree. The fantastic thing about my learning method(s) is that I can "stack" what I am learning. So let's say that there are four signs for one particular word…I can attach a new sign (of the same word) to the old (first) sign for that word. The great thing about it is that I will recognize most signs regardless of age or region. So I m covered regardless.

It is my MAIN aim to socialize (this month!) with Deaf individuals. That is key; a paramount step forward in my learning.

AquaBlue · 03-08-2008, 06:43 PM

If the worse occurs, for reasons beyond my control, and I can’t attend a Deaf gathering this month, I will be disappointed but not discouraged. I will not allow anything to detour me from my goals.

AquaBlue · 03-08-2008, 07:41 PM

This a curious question that I never understood (or asked why): When a signer points his/her left index finger to the thumb side of the right "fingerspelling" hand, does he/she do it as a personal preference or is it done to indicate a grammar rule- like a quotation of a word/phrase?

Anij · 03-08-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

This a curious question that I never understood (or asked why): When a signer points his/her left index finger to the thumb side of the right "fingerspelling" hand, does he/she do it as a personal preference or is it done to indicate a grammar rule- like a quotation of a word/phrase?

ummm I'm trying to visualize what you mean (I might just be over tired) ... do you have an example ?(vlog, or other source that shows this?)

Etoile · 03-08-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Anij

ummm I'm trying to visualize what you mean (I might just be over tired) ... do you have an example ?(vlog, or other source that shows this?)

I know what he's talking about, I'll try to find a vlog example.

Etoile · 03-08-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Etoile

I know what he's talking about, I'll try to find a vlog example.

Here we go, it's when she spells Super Bowl:
YouTube - Super Bowl - Bob's House

AquaBlue · 03-08-2008, 08:01 PM

Yes that's it Etoile.

Anij · 03-08-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Etoile

Here we go, it's when she spells Super Bowl:
YouTube - Super Bowl - Bob's House

OK - that's kinda what I thought ... I just didn't think of it as pointing per say. TA !

(I don't know many people here that do it - not sure if (not doing it) is region thing, or not.)

AquaBlue · 03-08-2008, 08:11 PM

For what is worth, in terms of viewing Terps work via video (

), it looks more professional to me somehow. That's just me private thought in regard to that left index-finger position.

AquaBlue · 03-08-2008, 09:28 PM

HoHGuyOhio, do you why some signers point their left finger when fingerspelling?

AquaBlue · 03-08-2008, 10:10 PM

I just e-mailed the coordinator of the Deaf gathering to confirm the information on the site.

I am looking forward to it.

HoHGuyOhio · 03-08-2008, 10:15 PM

I'm not sure exactly what the purpose of this is; my only guess would be that it is for emphasis. I think I might sometimes do that if I'm interpreting a training and they are going over important vocabulary. I guess to me it indicates that particular word might be important...I dunno. Never really thought about it before.

AquaBlue · 03-08-2008, 10:26 PM

So it is to italicize specific fingerspelled words...to direct the attention of the viewer to the word(s) being fingerspelled. I figured that much. My guess is correct then.

Anij · 03-08-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HoHGuyOhio

I'm not sure exactly what the purpose of this is; my only guess would be that it is for emphasis. I think I might sometimes do that if I'm interpreting a training and they are going over important vocabulary. I guess to me it indicates that particular word might be important...I dunno. Never really thought about it before.

Hmm - I'll have to pay more attention to when I fingerspell ... I'm sure that I do it unconsciously without thinking about it ... hmmm never really gave it much thought !

Ohhh ... I DO do it if that word causes a shift in conversation, or will be followed by a definition of the fingerspelled world ! (for instance in school)

Huh ... I never really thought about it much ....

AquaBlue · 03-09-2008, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Etoile

I would recommend meeting some deaf people and making sure you are interpreting the pictures correctly before learning 1500 signs the wrong way.

Also...I think that it's better to go in with something rather than nothing. If a group of sign words (from a book) are considered wrong (in my neck of the woods), then I will make the adjustment(s) when prompted. Otherwise, I would be completely lost in such an event than if I gained a vocabulary (right or wrong) prior to entering the gathering. I will begin with what I have learned so far and go from there. Something is better than nothing I guess. At least I hope that’s true.

ismi · 03-09-2008, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

HoHGuyOhio, do you why some signers point their left finger when fingerspelling?

I do this to stabilize my wrist. (Usually I'm holding my dominant-side elbow with my other hand, but sometimes I'll hold the wrist.) I don't do it most of the time, but if I have a word that is going to be hard to read - it's long, or an uncommon word - or if I'm having a lot of hand pain, then I think it's helpful. This reason may not be why other signers do it; I have joint problems that make it tricky sometimes for me to fingerspell. But I suspect I'm not the only one who wants to 'stabilize' their hand.

AquaBlue · 03-09-2008, 03:09 PM

Today I received a reply from an e-mail inquiry concerning local Deaf gatherings. The sender was a CI from this area. Sadly he only gave me links to sites I have already visited in my search. So the message was for not.

Looking on the bright side, I do have one gathering on the 28th that I won't miss. That night I will ask the group how I can participate in more local gatherings during the following month.

Interpretrator · 03-09-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HoHGuyOhio

I would respectfully disagree. When you're transliterating, you're not working between two languages at all. You're working between two modes (spoken vs. signed). The language is the same--English.

That is absolutely correct. Transliterating is between different modes while interpreting is between different languages.

Also, as far as Gestuno, I've seen it used once, at Deaf Way II. I can't imagine why an interpreter who doesn't work at large international deaf conferences would need to know it.

AquaBlue · 03-09-2008, 11:36 PM

On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being an essential rule), rate how important Mouth Morphemes is (to the Terp) in ASL interpretation?

By the way, I have never heard of Mouth Morphemes until tonight so if you have any additional (vital) information I should know about that subject, please post it. Thanks.

Anij · 03-09-2008, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being an essential rule), rate how important Mouth Morphemes is (to the Terp) in ASL interpretation?

By the way, I have never heard of Mouth Morphemes until tonight so if you have any additional (vital) information I should know about that subject, please post it. Thanks.

9.5

Reba · 03-09-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

HoHGuyOhio, do you why some signers point their left finger when fingerspelling?

Unless the video was reversed, she spelled everything except "Enable" with her left hand, and pointed with her right index finger.

I don't know if that makes a difference.

deafbajagal · 03-10-2008, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being an essential rule), rate how important Mouth Morphemes is (to the Terp) in ASL interpretation?

By the way, I have never heard of Mouth Morphemes until tonight so if you have any additional (vital) information I should know about that subject, please post it. Thanks.

Depends on the client

Anij · 03-10-2008, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by deafbajagal

Depends on the client

I just wanted to clarify -

you stated in ASL interpretation - so for me - in cases of "strong/pure ASL" 9.5
(I don't request pure ASL from my interpreters ... so it's a little different)

Etoile · 03-11-2008, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being an essential rule), rate how important Mouth Morphemes is (to the Terp) in ASL interpretation?

By the way, I have never heard of Mouth Morphemes until tonight so if you have any additional (vital) information I should know about that subject, please post it. Thanks.

For ASL interpretation, I would say it is 10 - absolutely essential. You see, mouth morphemes are part of the language. You cannot speak proper, fully grammatical ASL without mouth movements. (They are also called non-manual markers - though this includes eyebrow movements as well as mouth movements.) They are essential.

It has been said that only 50% of ASL is conveyed through the signs. The other 50% is body and face movements. So if you're not using them...you're only conveying 50% of the message.

AquaBlue · 03-11-2008, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Etoile

For ASL interpretation, I would say it is 10 - absolutely essential. You see, mouth morphemes are part of the language. You cannot speak proper, fully grammatical ASL without mouth movements. (They are also called non-manual markers - though this includes eyebrow movements as well as mouth movements.) They are essential.

It has been said that only 50% of ASL is conveyed through the signs. The other 50% is body and face movements. So if you're not using them...you're only conveying 50% of the message.

I am so glad I discovered this type of ASL expression online. Thank you Etoile. I never knew anything about it. Interesting.

By the way, I requested a video on the subject from my library. I need to learn more in order to apply the movements. Question: Are they adjectives for signs being used? I do not know, it's just a guess. Thanks!

Etoile · 03-11-2008, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I am so glad I discovered this type of ASL expression online. Thank you Etoile. I never knew anything about it. Interesting.

You'll learn plenty more about it when you take classes.

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AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	This a curious question that I never understood (or asked why): When a signer points his/her left index finger to the thumb side of the right "fingerspelling" hand, does he/she do it as a personal preference or is it done to indicate a grammar rule- like a quotation of a word/phrase? __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

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AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	For what is worth, in terms of viewing Terps work via video (), it looks more professional to me somehow. That's just me private thought in regard to that left index-finger position. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

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03-08-2008, 10:10 PM	#282 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	I just e-mailed the coordinator of the Deaf gathering to confirm the information on the site. I am looking forward to it. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

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HoHGuyOhio Certified Interpreter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 178	I'm not sure exactly what the purpose of this is; my only guess would be that it is for emphasis. I think I might sometimes do that if I'm interpreting a training and they are going over important vocabulary. I guess to me it indicates that particular word might be important...I dunno. Never really thought about it before. __________________ Chris Certified Interpreter NAD V, NIC Advanced

03-08-2008, 10:26 PM	#284 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	So it is to italicize specific fingerspelled words...to direct the attention of the viewer to the word(s) being fingerspelled. I figured that much. My guess is correct then. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-09-2008, 03:09 PM	#288 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	Today I received a reply from an e-mail inquiry concerning local Deaf gatherings. The sender was a CI from this area. Sadly he only gave me links to sites I have already visited in my search. So the message was for not. Looking on the bright side, I do have one gathering on the 28th that I won't miss. That night I will ask the group how I can participate in more local gatherings during the following month. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-09-2008, 11:36 PM	#290 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being an essential rule), rate how important Mouth Morphemes is (to the Terp) in ASL interpretation? By the way, I have never heard of Mouth Morphemes until tonight so if you have any additional (vital) information I should know about that subject, please post it. Thanks. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page