No more CC on WB DVD "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" - Page 2

sara1981 · 12-16-2007, 01:43 AM

i watch that movie that i got dvd from walmart and NO CC but can click for languages include English (deaf or hard imparied)

if you lives anywhere in states you can click English and in World whatevers will click speak languages with English and languages also.

SweetOrchid · 12-17-2007, 10:50 PM

I was disappointed that Harry Potter and the Order of Phoenix was in SDH, but I brought it anyways and watch it in Subtitle. Like I said before I'll have to deal with subtitle so I'm usual to it now. However some DVD movies doesn't have SDH or CC and I be disappointed like there was a movie that I saw called REDLINE and it wasn't in CC and the Subtitle was in SPA only when I rented it, so I watch the entire movie without CC or SDH.

Chase · 12-18-2007, 09:29 AM

SweetOrchid, I'm so spoiled by captioning that I carefully look over all VHS and DVD jackets before I borrow from the library, rent, or buy a movie. If it doesn't say CC, English subtitles, or SDH I won't bother to take the movie home, because I hate sitting through a silent movie! It why I seldom go to the theater--not much fun for a deafie.

I'll never know as much about the different media and captioning as Banjo (the Movie Guy), but he's directed me to some interesting research. I think SDH will soon be the captions of choice on DVDs and other modern discs (until something newer comes along, which it will) and SDS will have options to suit almost everyone's taste for viewing.

We might as well give SDH a try, because from now on I don't think there will be any more CC and just subtitles in other languages, like Spanish and French, on DVDs.

SweetOrchid · 12-19-2007, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chase

SweetOrchid, I'm so spoiled by captioning that I carefully look over all VHS and DVD jackets before I borrow from the library, rent, or buy a movie. If it doesn't say CC, English subtitles, or SDH I won't bother to take the movie home, because I hate sitting through a silent movie! It why I seldom go to the theater--not much fun for a deafie.

I'll never know as much about the different media and captioning as Banjo (the Movie Guy), but he's directed me to some interesting research. I think SDH will soon be the captions of choice on DVDs and other modern discs (until something newer comes along, which it will) and SDS will have options to suit almost everyone's taste for viewing.

We might as well give SDH a try, because from now on I don't think there will be any more CC and just subtitles in other languages, like Spanish and French, on DVDs.

I know that's why I start looking at the back of movies from now on when I rent it, but sometimes a MOVIE that looks too damn GOOD TO WATCH without CC or Subtitle. LOL! But I know it will show on CABLE so I can watch it in CC. Oh well! I'm a MOVIE QUEEN so I watch lots of movies believe me I have tons of list on Flixster on what I have seen and what I don't want to see and WHAT I WANT TO SEE. LOL Also I only pay for membership a month from Blockbuster online and the only thing is I trade in as many as I want without need to pay for anything just the Membership, check 3 out at a time, then trade three in, then they send me three more so I watch up to 6 movies every week.

Pretty much my VHS Tapes have CC and my DVDs has CC and Subtitles, but for other movies that MY MOM likes old movies that doesn't have CC unless they have some Remake of it with CC.

Chase · 12-19-2007, 11:09 AM

I'm like your mom, SweetOrchid. I have an extensive collection of old black-and-white mystery, romance, and science fiction movies. All have CC. My favorites are Charlie Chan, The Thing, the six Thin Man movies, three of The Creature from the Black Lagoon, and Topper. There are about two dozen more you probably never heard of, but your mom will probably know them.

I like taped movies over commercial TV because of better captions, and I can stop them when interrupted and start again where I left off.

rhr · 12-22-2007, 04:51 PM

Thank you, Banjo!, they will understand :-)

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Done, I just posted it. Hopefully he will respond. Here's what I wrote...

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To Paidgeek,

I know this will not be in your field but I'm hoping you can pass it onto someone who can do something about this.

Right now, digital captioning is incredibly difficult to deal with for many deaf consumers. Therefore, many Blu-ray supporters decided to go with SDH (Subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing) which I really do like. However, I think it would be quite a great thing if people would take advantage of BD-Java by giving people more options on manipulating the look/style of the subtitles to make it more readable. The deaf consumers have different preferences and tastes in how subtitles should look. I noticed that such a feature is available on PS3 but it hasn't been enabled for any of the movies that I know of, so the feature is rendered useless if nobody is taking advantage of it.

You also have to remember that there are many deaf people who are slightly or legally blind but still can watch movies, but they do have a hard time reading the subtitles because some of them lack a solid background, or isn't thick enough, and the colouring of the font also can make a difference. For instance, many legally blind people prefer bright yellow markings on the stairs and yellow fonts on websites. That's why I'm suggesting that people should be able to manipulate the subtitles so they can read it better. Myself, I read them just fine. But I do know some people who find it difficult sometimes especially on smaller TVs.

Hopefully somebody will be able to do something about this. Warner Bros. is the worst when it come to their SDH style. It's the most difficult to read of all since the black stroke is rather thin and the fonts are white. So whenever they're in front of a bright scene, it's hard to read them. Sony and Fox are the best. Sony use a solid black background, while Fox use a strong black stroke (which I prefer to the solid black background).

Thanks for your time.

Sword7 · 02-09-2008, 12:27 PM

Hello folks,

Well, both SDH and CC are the same. SDH is desgined for digital subtitles includes background sounds but CC is designed for legacy analog line 21 format. If DVD/BD/HD discs mentions SDH or CC, I will buy that.

Tim

skipper · 02-09-2008, 02:04 PM

My eyes aren't so good either, I prefer the CC because of the black background, and I prefer the large fonts..... I hate it when they use small case letters sometimes... The thing with SDH which I didn't know what it was until now, and realzie I have bought movies in the past, only to be severely disappointed when I discovered these "subtitles" is that as mentioned by the original poster... if the fonts are white, and the scene is say, shot on a lake ice fishing, the white fonts are pretty darn hard to read! with CC you don't have this problem. I guess I don't like change.

I found that if you use torrents or rapidshare and download your own movies and tv shows, and then you get the subtitles at opensubtitles or other subtitle site, then use a program like VSO to convert, you can define your own size, font, and color. A nice thick arial in large size in yellow or red sticks out like a sore thumb, but you can sure enjoy the show!

Problem is you cannot "disable" those subtitles to lend to a friend, unless they watch on PC and can disable them then.

I would lvoe the ability to select in my dvd player the size and color I want for my CC. that would rock. I have a new Sharp Aquos that was a present to me from Sharp, that is only 21" in HDTV. I sue it for a computer monitor, since the CC that this tv supports are SO THIN and tiny...the font is like a small times new roman..... too small..... really crappy and disappointing. If I could read them at a distance I would maybe put the tv in my bedroom

Silentwolfdog · 02-09-2008, 04:40 PM

Vamproxy you should have worked for that co!

Your comment does make senses.

But seriously, one thing that bother me the most is errors in captioning and SDH.

Like for example with Disney movies, they made far more errors with SDH than with CC especially with spelling and timing. Argh!

And SDH on DVD is just plainly ugly...I don't want yellow or words to be on the picture! I want it to on the black bar below the picture, unless you have a widescreen television which is understandable.

Really, with everything that's coming, I am going to miss CC. T_T

Wish we have freedom in picking which one we want, not being stuck to one because of tech. issues.

PowerON · 02-11-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rhr

I understand, you say, becuase I am first time on SDH, SDH and CC are same 100% I understand but I know SDH is no soild background, lot of missing read becuase between Letter and movie white, CC is perfect no white bother on Letter with soild black background... I wish SDH with soild black background and big size

well... no, it appear that most SDH show with excellent shadow outline around the text. It's still readable which far better than OC at theatre.

rhr · 02-11-2008, 07:24 PM

you don't understand,

SDH and Subtitle is LIMIT!!!! they don't have change options only OFF, ON, Country

Digital CC is UNLIMIT - you want choose non-soild or soild background, choose color text yellow, red, white, dark white, choose size small to larage, Off, On lot !!!

you want SDH same as CC options - Soild is off, Font is normal and small, color is white

Digital CC is better than Subtitle / SDH

Foxrac · 02-11-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rhr

you don't understand,

SDH and Subtitle is LIMIT!!!! they don't have change options only OFF, ON, Country

Digital CC is UNLIMIT - you want choose non-soild or soild background, choose color text yellow, red, white, dark white, choose size small to larage, Off, On lot !!!

you want SDH same as CC options - Soild is off, Font is normal and small, color is white

Digital CC is better than Subtitle / SDH

Complain about small font? then watch closer to screen or wear glasses are your solve the problem.

I have no complain about SDH issue, you are one of few people are like that.

Customize subtitles are taking more space on DVD, possible to be more expensive as well but digital CC is exclusive to tv shows or movies (included PPV movies) that are from airing but DVD don't offers like that, except if you have to get Mac to use Apple DVD with full of customize CC.

Foxrac · 02-11-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

well... no, it appear that most SDH show with excellent shadow outline around the text. It's still readable which far better than OC at theatre.

Yup, I agree with you.

PowerON · 02-12-2008, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

you don't understand,

SDH and Subtitle is LIMIT!!!! they don't have change options only OFF, ON, Country

Digital CC is UNLIMIT - you want choose non-soild or soild background, choose color text yellow, red, white, dark white, choose size small to larage, Off, On lot !!!

you want SDH same as CC options - Soild is off, Font is normal and small, color is white

Digital CC is better than Subtitle / SDH

i have to disagree with you. During my experience with 4 different HDTV, I have play around with digital CC and watch any TV that support digital CC are somewhere difficult to read whatever it nearly match to the color of text to the any object on background, when it set with no background and shadow-drop. Compare to this one and SDH on disc available. I find the better readable is SDH.

Foxrac · 02-12-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

i have to disagree with you. During my experience with 4 different HDTV, I have play around with digital CC and watch any TV that support digital CC are somewhere difficult to read whatever it nearly match to the color of text to the any object on background, when it set with no background and shadow-drop. Compare to this one and SDH on disc available. I find the better readable is SDH.

Digital CC would best when use setup box, not from tv setup.

Mixed of HDTV has bad digital CC, some are good, none of them are perfect.

rhr · 02-13-2008, 09:12 PM

you only SDH fine, you will grow up to old, you cannot read and buy eyeglasses and replace again, Digital CC is perfect without eyeglasses for any young to old for choose options, SDH not have choose, NO GOOD!

I would like SDH with Options (color, font, size etc..)

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerON

i have to disagree with you. During my experience with 4 different HDTV, I have play around with digital CC and watch any TV that support digital CC are somewhere difficult to read whatever it nearly match to the color of text to the any object on background, when it set with no background and shadow-drop. Compare to this one and SDH on disc available. I find the better readable is SDH.

~*Kaelei*~ · 02-13-2008, 09:31 PM

I prefer Subtittles over CC...Subtittles are way better and more clearer than CC.

peternagy · 02-14-2008, 12:58 AM

Some of you do not seem to understand the author's original post. Not everyone's eyesights are alike. Some people cannot read transparent background sub-titles as well as most people. The author's simply requesting the DVD (or Blu-Ray/HD-DVD) manufacturers to provide the user the ability to change the fonts and background of sub-titles. He is not asking for your opinion of whether digital CC is better or worse than sub-titles. He has serious eyesight problem and he has great difficulty of reading sub-titles with transparent background as opposed to ordinary CC (digital or analog) with solid black background. CC in DVD movies seem to be fading because it's cheaper for DVD manufacturer's to make sub-titles than CC but that's not the solution for everyone.

If some of you prefer sub-titles with transparent background, that's great but don't say that to the original poster.

Peter

PowerON · 02-14-2008, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

you only SDH fine, you will grow up to old, you cannot read and buy eyeglasses and replace again, Digital CC is perfect without eyeglasses for any young to old for choose options, SDH not have choose, NO GOOD!

I would like SDH with Options (color, font, size etc..)

most of time, I seen SDH are narrow bigger than digital CC at max size.

Foxrac · 02-14-2008, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

you only SDH fine, you will grow up to old, you cannot read and buy eyeglasses and replace again, Digital CC is perfect without eyeglasses for any young to old for choose options, SDH not have choose, NO GOOD!

I would like SDH with Options (color, font, size etc..)

Not all middle-age people have same problem as your does.

There's no options for SDH due taking too much space on DVD.

It's easily for file the complaint to film companies to add CC, along with SDH, that all what I can help you.

peternagy · 02-14-2008, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pacman

There's no options for SDH due taking too much space on DVD.

That's true about limited space for DVD. But Blu-ray or HD-DVD should have enough space to add SDH options if manufacturers have enough time or money to implement them.

Peter

rhr · 02-14-2008, 01:05 PM

Thank you

Quote:

Originally Posted by peternagy

Some of you do not seem to understand the author's original post. Not everyone's eyesights are alike. Some people cannot read transparent background sub-titles as well as most people. The author's simply requesting the DVD (or Blu-Ray/HD-DVD) manufacturers to provide the user the ability to change the fonts and background of sub-titles. He is not asking for your opinion of whether digital CC is better or worse than sub-titles. He has serious eyesight problem and he has great difficulty of reading sub-titles with transparent background as opposed to ordinary CC (digital or analog) with solid black background. CC in DVD movies seem to be fading because it's cheaper for DVD manufacturer's to make sub-titles than CC but that's not the solution for everyone.

If some of you prefer sub-titles with transparent background, that's great but don't say that to the original poster.

Peter

rhr · 02-14-2008, 01:08 PM

you are silly!
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" is very small subtitle, I have Harry Pottery 1 to 4 is perfect read size

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerON

most of time, I seen SDH are narrow bigger than digital CC at max size.

willowbaby85 · 03-30-2008, 11:03 PM

what is SDH? i use subtitles on my movies and i find them much easier to read then the captions that are mostly gobdligook and odd letters, the subtitles are much better for me, tho i do have a pet peve, buying movies that say they are captiond or subtitled and you get them home and find out they are not, and you take them back to the store to get your money back cus it is no good to you cus you cant hear it, and they tell you that you cant return it cus its opend

12-16-2007, 01:43 AM	#31 (permalink)
sara1981 Batista's fans Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Little Rock,Ar Posts: 3,291	i watch that movie that i got dvd from walmart and NO CC but can click for languages include English (deaf or hard imparied) if you lives anywhere in states you can click English and in World whatevers will click speak languages with English and languages also. __________________

12-17-2007, 10:50 PM	#32 (permalink)
SweetOrchid Smiling is Contagious Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Daytona Beach, FL Posts: 195	I was disappointed that Harry Potter and the Order of Phoenix was in SDH, but I brought it anyways and watch it in Subtitle. Like I said before I'll have to deal with subtitle so I'm usual to it now. However some DVD movies doesn't have SDH or CC and I be disappointed like there was a movie that I saw called REDLINE and it wasn't in CC and the Subtitle was in SPA only when I rented it, so I watch the entire movie without CC or SDH. __________________ Princess Orchid

02-09-2008, 12:27 PM	#37 (permalink)
Sword7 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Posts: 39	SDH and CC are the same. Hello folks, Well, both SDH and CC are the same. SDH is desgined for digital subtitles includes background sounds but CC is designed for legacy analog line 21 format. If DVD/BD/HD discs mentions SDH or CC, I will buy that. Tim

02-09-2008, 04:40 PM	#39 (permalink)
Silentwolfdog a toku fangirl Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 705	Vamproxy you should have worked for that co! Your comment does make senses. But seriously, one thing that bother me the most is errors in captioning and SDH. Like for example with Disney movies, they made far more errors with SDH than with CC especially with spelling and timing. Argh! And SDH on DVD is just plainly ugly...I don't want yellow or words to be on the picture! I want it to on the black bar below the picture, unless you have a widescreen television which is understandable. Really, with everything that's coming, I am going to miss CC. T_T Wish we have freedom in picking which one we want, not being stuck to one because of tech. issues. __________________ If you are using red or blue font, there's a good chance that I am not reading your posts due to it being blended into background! I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. ~Sarah William Check my art at http://silentwolfdog.deviantart.com

02-11-2008, 07:24 PM	#41 (permalink)
rhr Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 709	you don't understand, SDH and Subtitle is LIMIT!!!! they don't have change options only OFF, ON, Country Digital CC is UNLIMIT - you want choose non-soild or soild background, choose color text yellow, red, white, dark white, choose size small to larage, Off, On lot !!! you want SDH same as CC options - Soild is off, Font is normal and small, color is white Digital CC is better than Subtitle / SDH __________________ ЯHR

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12-18-2007, 09:29 AM	#33 (permalink)
Chase Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,316	SweetOrchid, I'm so spoiled by captioning that I carefully look over all VHS and DVD jackets before I borrow from the library, rent, or buy a movie. If it doesn't say CC, English subtitles, or SDH I won't bother to take the movie home, because I hate sitting through a silent movie! It why I seldom go to the theater--not much fun for a deafie. I'll never know as much about the different media and captioning as Banjo (the Movie Guy), but he's directed me to some interesting research. I think SDH will soon be the captions of choice on DVDs and other modern discs (until something newer comes along, which it will) and SDS will have options to suit almost everyone's taste for viewing. We might as well give SDH a try, because from now on I don't think there will be any more CC and just subtitles in other languages, like Spanish and French, on DVDs.

12-19-2007, 11:09 AM	#35 (permalink)
Chase Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,316	I'm like your mom, SweetOrchid. I have an extensive collection of old black-and-white mystery, romance, and science fiction movies. All have CC. My favorites are Charlie Chan, The Thing, the six Thin Man movies, three of The Creature from the Black Lagoon, and Topper. There are about two dozen more you probably never heard of, but your mom will probably know them. I like taped movies over commercial TV because of better captions, and I can stop them when interrupted and start again where I left off.

02-09-2008, 02:04 PM	#38 (permalink)
skipper What? What? Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Bay, Ont Posts: 47	My eyes aren't so good either, I prefer the CC because of the black background, and I prefer the large fonts..... I hate it when they use small case letters sometimes... The thing with SDH which I didn't know what it was until now, and realzie I have bought movies in the past, only to be severely disappointed when I discovered these "subtitles" is that as mentioned by the original poster... if the fonts are white, and the scene is say, shot on a lake ice fishing, the white fonts are pretty darn hard to read! with CC you don't have this problem. I guess I don't like change. I found that if you use torrents or rapidshare and download your own movies and tv shows, and then you get the subtitles at opensubtitles or other subtitle site, then use a program like VSO to convert, you can define your own size, font, and color. A nice thick arial in large size in yellow or red sticks out like a sore thumb, but you can sure enjoy the show! Problem is you cannot "disable" those subtitles to lend to a friend, unless they watch on PC and can disable them then. I would lvoe the ability to select in my dvd player the size and color I want for my CC. that would rock. I have a new Sharp Aquos that was a present to me from Sharp, that is only 21" in HDTV. I sue it for a computer monitor, since the CC that this tv supports are SO THIN and tiny...the font is like a small times new roman..... too small..... really crappy and disappointing. If I could read them at a distance I would maybe put the tv in my bedroom

02-13-2008, 09:31 PM	#47 (permalink)
~Kaelei~ Slytherin Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 193	I prefer Subtittles over CC...Subtittles are way better and more clearer than CC. __________________

02-14-2008, 12:58 AM	#48 (permalink)
peternagy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 91	Some of you do not seem to understand the author's original post. Not everyone's eyesights are alike. Some people cannot read transparent background sub-titles as well as most people. The author's simply requesting the DVD (or Blu-Ray/HD-DVD) manufacturers to provide the user the ability to change the fonts and background of sub-titles. He is not asking for your opinion of whether digital CC is better or worse than sub-titles. He has serious eyesight problem and he has great difficulty of reading sub-titles with transparent background as opposed to ordinary CC (digital or analog) with solid black background. CC in DVD movies seem to be fading because it's cheaper for DVD manufacturer's to make sub-titles than CC but that's not the solution for everyone. If some of you prefer sub-titles with transparent background, that's great but don't say that to the original poster. Peter

03-30-2008, 11:03 PM	#54 (permalink)
willowbaby85 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 15	what is SDH? i use subtitles on my movies and i find them much easier to read then the captions that are mostly gobdligook and odd letters, the subtitles are much better for me, tho i do have a pet peve, buying movies that say they are captiond or subtitled and you get them home and find out they are not, and you take them back to the store to get your money back cus it is no good to you cus you cant hear it, and they tell you that you cant return it cus its opend