HDTV Captioning: What You Should Know - Page 2

DefMATRIXense · 06-21-2007, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pacman

Xbox 360 does have feature to remove the black bars but depends on ratio.

but... it's bad idea because you will lose of picture on side, from left to right.

For movies, that's 2:35 or 2:40 then that's impossible to remove but some DVD players offers overscan, that is bad idea because you will loss of picture on side.

If 1:85 or 1:78 then there's perfect on 16:9 HDTV.

Actually, my HDTV is widescreen 16:9 and it does having a requirement meets because Star wars 3 has a widescreen 1:85 or something format. Jackass 360 wont do it but dvd burner and dvd player which I own do allow. and it doesn't loss a picture of each side.

Banjo · 06-22-2007, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DefMATRIXense

Actually, my HDTV is widescreen 16:9 and it does having a requirement meets because Star wars 3 has a widescreen 1:85 or something format. Jackass 360 wont do it but dvd burner and dvd player which I own do allow. and it doesn't loss a picture of each side.

Star Wars: Episode III, the aspect ratio used is 2.35:1. So yes, you will see black bars. The aspect ratio best suited for 16:9 television sets are 1.78:1 and 1.85:1.

Most movies are in 2.35:1 so you can expect a lot of them to show black bars.

rhr · 06-22-2007, 03:57 PM

about "Real-Time" 3 line smooth that any News and Sport some HDTV vs DVR vs Set-box vs computer

only HDTV with ASTC is very smoorth than all not smooth
I don't know CableCard slot HDTV, Will smooth?

rhr · 06-22-2007, 04:09 PM

Yes, my HDTV is Sony KDL-46V2500 and Samsung DVD Player DVD-1080P7 work CC for only 480i

if dvd player need 480i will work CC, another 480p or high will not work

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Originally Posted by PowerON

Component Video does not work on my previous HDTV Westinghouse and recently brand new Philips HDTV

rhr · 06-22-2007, 04:19 PM

you said I am crazy, you are WRONG! I am truth i test my HDTV Sony 46V2500 and Samsung DVD Player 1080p7, I DID IT TEST,

NO 480p wont' work CC I did test it I test Samsung 1080p7 have two swtich 480i and 480p, I test 480i work CC, 480p not work CC

480i = ANALOG
480p to 1080p = Digital

CC work only for Analog on DVD player

you buy thme by yourself!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pacman

No, component is progressive scan, that's 480p.

I can't believe that you are really crazy.

CC isn't work on my HDTV via component.

You CAN'T change to 480i via PS3 with HDMI, only from 480p to 1080p.

Banjo · 06-22-2007, 04:30 PM

CC can be carried through component cables as long it's in 480i.

Yes, component cables can carry 480i signals.

rhr · 06-22-2007, 04:34 PM

Thank you, but really you said DVD Player 480p work CC ?? I test Samsung DVD Player 1080p7 have two swtich "480i" and "480p" I test 480i work cc but 480p won't work CC, what your dvd player company and model?

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Originally Posted by peternagy

RHR is correct. Component can either be 480i and 480p. For example, in order to watch analog CC from DVD player using component cables, you have to set the component output of DVD player to non-progressive (interlace) via on-screen Menu setup screen of DVD player. At least that's how my DVD player works.

My DVD player also has DVI output and like you said, DVD player cannot output CC (analog or digital) via DVI cable because DVI only supports higher than 480p or DVD player simply don't support it. Hopefully (I doubt it) in the future there will be DVD player (like cable or satellite boxes) supporting CC for 480p or greater but I don't think it's going to happen because SDH will be used instead.

Peter

rhr · 06-22-2007, 04:51 PM

Correct, smile

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

CC can be carried through component cables as long it's in 480i.

Yes, component cables can carry 480i signals.

peternagy · 06-22-2007, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

Thank you, but really you said DVD Player 480p work CC ?? I test Samsung DVD Player 1080p7 have two swtich "480i" and "480p" I test 480i work cc but 480p won't work CC, what your dvd player company and model?

CC at 480p does NOT work with my DVD player. Only 480i works like you said.

I am sorry if I mislead you or my statement was not clear.

I have a three year old Samsung DVD player with component and DVI out. It was one of the first DVD player to offer DVI out at the time. I am at work so I don't know the model number.

Peter

Pacman · 06-22-2007, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

you said I am crazy, you are WRONG! I am truth i test my HDTV Sony 46V2500 and Samsung DVD Player 1080p7, I DID IT TEST,

NO 480p wont' work CC I did test it I test Samsung 1080p7 have two swtich 480i and 480p, I test 480i work CC, 480p not work CC

480i = ANALOG
480p to 1080p = Digital

CC work only for Analog on DVD player

you buy thme by yourself!

Are you dumb? I said not ALL DVD players offers like that.

You don't own PS3 or Xbox 360, though... Both of systems aren't work via component cable for CC.

Pacman · 06-22-2007, 07:48 PM

Now, test is done...

My HDTV don't support CC in HDMI, component (2x), DVI and VGA mode.

CC is only work on S-Video, composite and TV mode, that it.

I had done with switched to 480i for Xbox 360 with component cable then CC isn't work, also clicked CC button about 15 times and nothing to work.

My HDTV is new, it was maf date in early 2007.

Pacman · 06-22-2007, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

CC can be carried through component cables as long it's in 480i.

Yes, component cables can carry 480i signals.

It's not supported on my HDTV for CC via component cable.

Pacman · 06-22-2007, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerON

Component Video does not work on my previous HDTV Westinghouse and recently brand new Philips HDTV

Yup, it don't work on my HDTV too.

PowerWCRulez · 06-23-2007, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

about "Real-Time" 3 line smooth that any News and Sport some HDTV vs DVR vs Set-box vs computer

only HDTV with ASTC is very smoorth than all not smooth
I don't know CableCard slot HDTV, Will smooth?

The cablecard for authorization to order to unlock the premium and PPV channels, for example:

if your kids in home, remove the cablecard will go down to G and PG and locked premium and ppv channels.

I have my renting Scienific Altanta digital cable box, doesn't need to use cablecard, I use password control on my digital box to block all adult/ppv/R/TV-MA channels when my family kids comes in.

My digital cable box have a CC settings I believe it's ON and I forgot where I can find a CC setting on my digital box. Digital channels support CC on my analog tv.

sequoias · 06-23-2007, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

CC can be carried through component cables as long it's in 480i.

Yes, component cables can carry 480i signals.

like pacman and poweron said, my hdtv doesn't work with cc on component cable via dvd player. I checked the status and it said 480i.

explain that?

Banjo · 06-23-2007, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sequoias

like pacman and poweron said, my hdtv doesn't work with cc on component cable via dvd player. I checked the status and it said 480i.

explain that?

Maybe not all TV displays can.

Pacman · 06-23-2007, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

Maybe not all TV displays can.

I believe that more companies are remove the CC feature from component source for some reason that 480i isn't nessescary to display via component source but rather to display on composite and S-Video.

peternagy · 06-23-2007, 12:45 PM

For those who cannot get analog CC via component cables using 480i, please provide brand and model number of your TV. I would like to check them out.

Generally speaking, TVs with built-in analog CC decoder should be able to display CC at 480i or lower. It should not matter what external players you are using like DVD players, cable or satellite boxes as long as the video signal is 480i or lower. I do not know why some of your TVs are not displaying analog CC via component cables and using 480i.

Digital CC is a totally different ball game. Banjo's blog gave an excellent description about digital CC.

Also, I don't mean to insult you but did you check whether DVD movies provide CC? Maybe there may be something wrong with CC from DVD disks. Try test them on your friend's player and HDTV.

Peter

rhr · 06-24-2007, 02:43 PM

Okay, yeah only 480i
Thank you

Quote:

Originally Posted by peternagy

CC at 480p does NOT work with my DVD player. Only 480i works like you said.

I am sorry if I mislead you or my statement was not clear.

I have a three year old Samsung DVD player with component and DVI out. It was one of the first DVD player to offer DVI out at the time. I am at work so I don't know the model number.

Peter

rhr · 06-24-2007, 02:48 PM

"are you dumb?", you have PS3 and XBOX. they are KID!
they are DUMB!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pacman

Are you dumb? I said not ALL DVD players offers like that.

You don't own PS3 or Xbox 360, though... Both of systems aren't work via component cable for CC.

Pacman · 06-24-2007, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

"are you dumb?", you have PS3 and XBOX. they are KID!
they are DUMB!

Oh please, you are totally nut.

rhr · 06-24-2007, 02:51 PM

YOU NOT UNDERSTAND

ANY Cable and must 480i will work CC
480p or hight will not work CC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pacman

Now, test is done...

My HDTV don't support CC in HDMI, component (2x), DVI and VGA mode.

CC is only work on S-Video, composite and TV mode, that it.

I had done with switched to 480i for Xbox 360 with component cable then CC isn't work, also clicked CC button about 15 times and nothing to work.

My HDTV is new, it was maf date in early 2007.

Pacman · 06-24-2007, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

YOU NOT UNDERSTAND

ANY Cable and must 480i will work CC
480p or hight will not work CC

HELL NO, My HDTV don't support CC source via component input, it doesn't give a option via menu.

It doesn't matters if it is 480i or 480p then CC isn't support this input on my HDTV.

Banjo · 06-24-2007, 03:00 PM

SILENCE!

Let's not bicker about this. Just keep on discussing what's relevant to the subject. Not about who's a dumbass or not.

Thank you.

peternagy · 06-24-2007, 05:28 PM

Pacman,

Please provide brand and model number of your TV.

Peter

06-22-2007, 03:57 PM	#33 (permalink)
rhr Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 640	about "Real-Time" 3 line smooth that any News and Sport some HDTV vs DVR vs Set-box vs computer only HDTV with ASTC is very smoorth than all not smooth I don't know CableCard slot HDTV, Will smooth? __________________ ЯHR

06-22-2007, 07:48 PM	#41 (permalink)
Pacman o_O Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 12,751	Now, test is done... My HDTV don't support CC in HDMI, component (2x), DVI and VGA mode. CC is only work on S-Video, composite and TV mode, that it. I had done with switched to 480i for Xbox 360 with component cable then CC isn't work, also clicked CC button about 15 times and nothing to work. My HDTV is new, it was maf date in early 2007. __________________ Oh damn, don't mess with me

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06-22-2007, 04:30 PM	#36 (permalink)
Banjo Mr. Movie Guy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,871 Blog Entries: 1	CC can be carried through component cables as long it's in 480i. Yes, component cables can carry 480i signals.

06-23-2007, 12:45 PM	#48 (permalink)
peternagy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 82	For those who cannot get analog CC via component cables using 480i, please provide brand and model number of your TV. I would like to check them out. Generally speaking, TVs with built-in analog CC decoder should be able to display CC at 480i or lower. It should not matter what external players you are using like DVD players, cable or satellite boxes as long as the video signal is 480i or lower. I do not know why some of your TVs are not displaying analog CC via component cables and using 480i. Digital CC is a totally different ball game. Banjo's blog gave an excellent description about digital CC. Also, I don't mean to insult you but did you check whether DVD movies provide CC? Maybe there may be something wrong with CC from DVD disks. Try test them on your friend's player and HDTV. Peter

06-24-2007, 03:00 PM	#54 (permalink)
Banjo Mr. Movie Guy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,871 Blog Entries: 1	SILENCE! Let's not bicker about this. Just keep on discussing what's relevant to the subject. Not about who's a dumbass or not. Thank you.

06-24-2007, 05:28 PM	#55 (permalink)
peternagy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 82	Pacman, Please provide brand and model number of your TV. Peter