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After reading this thread, I had a thought. Could it be that things are different for digital because they are building CC into the technology and trying to improve things. Analog was around a long time before they added CC. They had to find a way to make CC work around a technology and they did that by adding the signal onto a line that is not visable on tv. That's why we had problems with them in the past. Now they are changing them to try to make them work better and more in time with dialog on tv. They are just doing it in a way that's so different that it's throwing us off on how to turn it on? Example
CC on analog is built in tv due to law passed few years ago. now CC is now being decoded by cable box or etc before being delivered to TV. We are so used to turning it on using tv that the new way is throwing us off on how to make it work? Also because it is new, they are probably experimating at our expense the best way to handle CC or subtitles. As said in last post, give them time. I would appreicate any thoughts or comments. Like I said, it was just a thought and wanted to put that out. I am not saying I'm right or wrong. Just an observation. |
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From what I know, the CC signal is stripped through the cable. They designed it to transmit only the video and audio, not a third signal. The only way to get CC is to have a DVD player with a CC decoder built-in, or in the DVR, HDTV receivers, etc. I have heard that Panasonic DMREZ28, the DVD recorder/player is capable of overlaying the CC signal onto the video signal. |
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(4) Closed captioning. The visual display of the audio portion of video programming contained in line 21 of the vertical blanking interval (VBI) pursuant to the technical specifications set forth in Section 15.119 of this chapter or the equivalent thereof. They did this on purpose so it would be stuck inside of the video signal so broadcasters could not use any excuse for not sending through the captions. |
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Right now I have DishNetwork using their HD receiver, and with that the receiver is the part that decodes the CC, and sends it over the HDMI to the TV. It is not perfect (the SD channels get good CC, but some of the HD channels the CC can be jumpy). |
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True for analog or SDTV But in HDTV CC is completely different and is in binary format rather than in analog so it is *not* supported in HDMI at all because when they set up the HDMI proctol to standardized it they assumed that the STB's end does the decoding and overlaying on the video instead of the TV itself and did not include the CC to the HDMI supported protocol. Even on HDTV only way to watch SDTV or Analog programming "line 21" in CC is to use s-video or composite cable which defeats the purpose of owning a HDTV if you couldn't use any upconvert players to play them at higher reslotions. Because line21 is stripped when upcoverted. DVD player need to preserve the line 21 and convert it into a digital CC or overlay them before sending it out via HDMI. Some HDTV like Vizio is allowing CC pass thur via compoments cables but it still HD to Analog to HD which really not a true HDTV however just as good as it can get. I am just angry that they have so many bandwidth spaces avaible in HDMI for like broadcast flag or DRM etc to prevent you from copying their movie or show but they don't want to make room for a simple CC and tells the STB or provider it their end that they have to do the decoding .. not the TV end which is pretty stupid IMO. I rather see the DVD distribtors worry about putting CC in it than having cable company or DirectTV or Dish Network try to add the CC with their HDTV shows because it doesn't come with it embedded or they are trying to us it from analog shows and the timings are way OFF too that why you see problem or late CC on HDTV show since they are "borrowing" from the analog SDTV show rather than redoing the CC in HDTV format ie "Digital CC" or DCC . |
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I wish HD captioning should be fixed right away or sooner than later. ![]()
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I am closed captioning fan. Last edited by CCfan; 06-14-2008 at 12:09 AM. Reason: grammar fixed |
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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hdmi with CC working?
yes it was working. i have LCD 42" widescreen, hook up with dishtv with dvr and HD too...dishtv box come with hdmi to my 42" widescreen. it's has double hdmi and hdmi 2. i was glad everything great with CC.. CNNHD, SICFICHD, and more come with CC perfect whew. i just brought right one 2 years ago.
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