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Taric25

Richard, what is that supposed to mean?

Anyway, http://www.alldeaf.com/pictures-vide...-new-post.html is where I posted my new VLog with captions.

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Etoile

It's just too easy. I give up.

Deaf258

I vote no.

Why?

Reason here: Ella’s Flashlight » It Hurts…

BearBeauty

The problem I see with this, Taric.. is that if deaf vloggers should caption their videos, so should hearing.. we're all equal.. let's have the hearing caption their Vlogs TOO!!!!

So, NO, we don't have to caption our Vlogs, if they won't caption theirs!

Taric25

That is no excuse. All of my videos are ASL with English audio and captions English and Spanish. I speak four languages: English, Spanish, Arabic, and ASL. If I want to caption my videos in French, and I don't speak French, then I must consult someone who is blingual in French and one of the languages I speak. (BTW, I would like to caption my videos in French.)

So, since she doesn't speak English well, she should contact an interpreter to intepret ASL to English. She can easily do this by calling VRS and asking the interpreter to leave a voicemail. Once she leaves the voicemail, she can check it with IP-Relay and the operator will type everything the interpreter said. After that, all she needs to do is time the words to the correct signs, and that's easy with the correct software.

Yes, you do have to caption your VLogs! If you refuse to caption, when why should people who are Hearing caption? You must be the change you wish to see in the world!! You must raise the bar and pose the challenge to people who are Hearing. My parents raised me Hearing, but they encouraged me to study neither Spanish nor ASL, and look at me now! Plus, many people who are Hearing do caption their videos. Take a look.
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Also, there are many benefits to providing closed captions for your videos. I will post an ASL video with audio and captions of the benefits soon.

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Deaf258

You're just naive.

Ella Mae is a well-known and well-respected Deaf woman. She knows what she is talking about.

On the other hand about captioning, what do you know about the recent issue where FCC was about to permit no captioning for hundreds of TV programs?

Why should we bother trying to be the example when hearing people don't give a damn? If they see our ASL vlogs that aren't captioned, the hearing people will feel the frustration that we Deaf people felt for a very long time. They will understand and appreciate the experience much better than to watch something already captioned FOR the hearing people. They take everything for granted, so why should we comply with their expectations???

Again, it goes back the the main issue: money and timing. Not everyone have the luxury of having both available at all times when making vlogs AND captioning them.

Deaf258

There is also another website that will take ASL vlog and type out the transcripts for the "Blind, DeafBlind, or Dyslexic" people. I don't remember the site's URL though.

ismi

That doesn't necessarily make her right. In fact, it makes her site (and other vlogs) an echo chamber; whereas non-fluent signers like myself might be interested in what she has to say, the odds that we'll get her message are low. Which is a pity, because education will get the community more allies - or at least get hearing people to understand better. In fact, if Ella provided a transcript, perhaps I would be better able to understand her position on this issue, and agree with her; as it is, I'm learning about it second-hand, and quite possibly things are being distorted along the way.

So, what, you're gonna take your toys and play somewhere else? An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.

Very naive. All it means is that a hearing person who stumbles across a vlog that isn't captioned will ignore it and move on, rather than take a moment to check it out.

True. And no one should be forced to caption their vlogs; that would be ridiculous. But at the same time, it should be recognized that captioning your vlogs is a good thing for the community as a whole.

HearingSwede

I voted no, even though I think the question should have been phrased differently. By voting no I'm not saying that it's bad to caption vlogs, but that more or less forcing people into doing it (by making them feel really bad if they don't) is wrong. If the choice is between posting a vlog entry with captions and not posting at all, you'll end up with fewer vlogs. If people feel they have the time and energy to add captions, that's a good thing. Encourage captions and transcripts, by all means, but don't shame people into doing it.

PS. No, I don't understand everything in most ASL vlog posts, since I'm not fluent, but some vloggers are much easier to understand than other. I usually get 85-90% of the content when the vlogger in question is someone like Amy Cohen Efron or Joey Baer. If the signing is very fast, out of focus and done in poor lighting I understand almost nothing. On the other hand, I don't think I'm the only one who prefers clear over grainy and poorly lit.

Gamer12

Well, say, in many videos I browsed through, some hearing people make fun of Deaf culture and Deaf people. I don't see any complaints from you. Sorry but don't expect me to take your complaint for "David Oral and ASL" seriously at this very moment.

I'm assiduously curious about your opinion regarding captioning the vlogs. Why don't all d/Deaf bloggers ASL-caption their blogs? I'm sick and tired of reading the blogs on poorly designed layouts, small and bad-colored texts, countless typos, and so on. It would be a nice break from reading innumerable text-based materials namely newspapers, blogs, books, magazines for me to watch d/Deaf bloggers signing in ASL. Think about it, Blind or DeafBlind couldn't or have a difficult time reading the texts so think about the wonderful endless possibilities of ASL-captioned blogs for them! Eureka! I indirectly found a solution. ASL-captioning all blogs reduces the overused and strained muscles of our eyes from reading texts too many times.

Anyone disagrees with what I suggested above is rich-deservedly contemplated as a hypocrite and phony for supporting the captioning the vlogs.

Until then, I wouldn't support your notion of captioning the vlogs unless all d/Deaf and hearing bloggers ASL-caption their blogs. Until then... That's how it will and should work.

Take a look at this hot hearing woman sharing the story of "Three Little Pigs" in ASL (without audio) with us. There're some videos like that by hearing people, it reinforces my argument that it's not only d/Deaf people who made similar ASL-based vlogs without captions. Aside from that, a hot hearing woman with ASL skill is always quadruple-plus.

As I told others, if you (to general) want to understand the ASL. Take ASL courses or ask an ASL-fluent d/Deaf person to teach them. Some of them would love to spend their time teaching ASL. I know I do. ASL classes is almost always fun for everyone to take. It's the same concept for different subjects like being a foreign resident in a foreign country, you have to learn their language to say what you want to them.

Deaf258

Ella is one of the most respected people specializing in ASL. I wouldn't knock on her if I were you. If you have used Signing Naturally ASL books, you'd recognize her. Right or wrong, she has a good sense of making points to encourage Deaf people to think and be more independent. The reason for her vlog about 'It Hurts.' was that often, hearing, oral deaf and some hard of hearing (non-signers) people oppressed several Deaf bloggers to caption their vlogs. What's the result?? Fewer Deaf people are making vlogs while many others don't want to be hurt or disappointed by their hearing peers.

Eye for an eye?? HELLO!?! Deaf people have been trying to communicate with hearing people for at least 3,000 years. Pray tell, when will the hearing people (in general) actually start paying attention and listen to us!?!? If you're hearing, that's great you are paying attention to us, but that's one hearing person out of millions.. Hearing people have been blind to us for so long. I don't think I would see Deaf people being treated EQUALLY among family, friends and coworkers in my lifetime. Granted, it may take another 500 to 1,000 years before that actually happens!

Frankly, I am tired of many hearing people. I am tired of having to fight everyday to keep my job. I am tired of feeling like I never felt one minute's worth of job security during the times I've worked different jobs for the past 14 years! I am tired of finding out a new coworker has been promoted and given a raise even though I worked better and have a higher seniority! I am tired of being bored at family reunions and being harshly reminded I am not part of the family (bec I was never included in their conversations)! I am tired of abbreviated stories and instructions. I am tired of putting in 4 or 5 times the effort into the relationships I have with hearing people when they lay back and do nothing to improve on their end. I am tired of seeing or hearing other d/Deaf, Hard of Hearing and hearing people rant that everyone who are Deaf MUST caption their vlogs! What about the hearing vlogs and podcasts?? I don't see hearing people making sure other hearing people transcribe, caption or subtitle their podcasts or vlogs! We Deaf people have worked hard many, many times and the Deaf people who have lived before our time have also worked harder than hearing people did.

I think that by not captioning the vlogs, I am helping preserve ASL and making hearing people who care to try harder to learn ASL. Again, my point proven, you said we Deaf should caption our vlogs. That means Deaf vloggers would have to work harder than hearing vloggers. Man, this reeks of a big pile of shi.. err, Audism.

Is that fair? An eye for an eye makes the world blind, you say??

Next time, friend or foe, if someone tells me I must caption my vlogs, I got 2 words to say:


P.S. If Ella *DID* provide captions or transcription of her vlog, it would defeat the WHOLE point of her message!

ismi

I do recognize her, and I'm not "knocking on her". But appeal to authority is still a logical fallacy. Like the other people here, I don't think vlogs can (or should) be forced to be captioned; but I do think it's the right thing to do.

I'm not hearing. I didn't grow up signing, but I am most certainly not hearing. As you say, Deaf people have been trying to communicate with hearing. But cutting lines of communication doesn't help that. Look at it like this: if past communication attempts were on an individual level, vlogging gives the opportunity to share a mass message, to share information not about *one* deaf person, but about the whole Deaf world. It's an incredible opportunity to work for change. Does it suck that the hearing world doesn't already understand Deafness? Sure. But that's what happens when you're in a minority group, whether you're Deaf, black, LGBT, disabled, etc.

I see many spoken-language podcasts and vlogs that are captioned, and more are being created all the time. Not all of them, but it's a start. Consider that we are not the dominant group here.

It's not a matter of working harder. It's a matter of increased access.

Work harder than hearing vloggers? Well, first off, there are very few hearing bloggers. Second, I would point out that being in the linguistic minority tends to make life a bit harder. And if you're going to throw around terms like 'audism', keep in mind 'ableism' as well, as Taric pointed out.

Deaf258

The podcasts and vlogs by hearing people that I wanted to watch aren't even captioned or subtitled. I have yet to see one!

I don't want to carry on this debate even further, so we'll agree to disagree. You caption your vlogs. I won't bother captioning mine!

Gamer12

Decidedly and positively wrong. The reason I found this topic and responded to Taric's post was because the vlogs had captured a few hearing people's interests, particularly in two ASL-based vlogs. After viewing them, they asked me about ASL itself. After a patient explanation, they became curious about our ASL: the large sociological substantial aspect of Deaf culture. One hearing man brought up in the discussion about this topic, and while he differed with Taric's observation -- he's an anthropologist -- he quizzed me over about the 'needs' and 'wants' of captioning the vlogs. He divulged the social value of captioning the vlogs as "a tool that warrants the want, not need".


One more thing about this captioning the vlogs subject: if there is a remote chance of making some profits in captioning the vlogs, I'd jump on the same bus Taric is riding on. If it's a mere voluntary-based or contribute the pooh-pooh dying 'good guys' movement to the society, I cannot be arsed to fuss about it myself. We're in capitalistic-ridden era. As my old boss always said, "no money, no sweat". If Taric wants to caption the vlogs and then he should go for it, but he shouldn't whine at the community about others and the absence of captions in their vlogs. It'd the best for all of us and the community to leave this to 3 years old kids to throw a tantrum about it. It's just an person-based want or desire, not corportation/profit-based product or need. Although, admittedly, there is a small, if not remote, chance that captioning the vlogs could attract several lurkers or a few commentators at most. But that's it.

My friends, Capitalism 101: profit = productively and motivation. I'd rather to conserve my time for more meaningful activities like spending my well-earned hours on teaching hearing people how to sign ASL, educate them the aspects of the Deaf culture, dating with hot hearing women who are interested in ASL, and so on.

--->It's not a matter of working harder. It's a matter of increased access.<---

So were you saying that conservative bloggers should've written the blogs in favor of or praise liberals and heartily endorse them as 'heroes' to boost their accessiblity (reaching and handshaking over the table)? And vice versa. What? It's a matter of increased access, right?

--->And if you're going to throw around terms like 'audism', keep in mind 'ableism' as well, as Taric pointed out.<---

Oy, if you or Taric would throw around 'ableism' at others who rightly suggested 'audism' regarding this topic, keep in mind 'solipsism' as well.

I'm not sure why I chipped in and bump headed with others who threw a tantrum about the 'person-based want' namely 'captioning the vlogs' topic. The member above rightly pointed that we can only agree to disagree and if you want to caption the vlogs, go ahead and enjoy it but suggest you to keep the tantrum and woe-is-meism to yourself. It's part of maturity.

Deaf258

You said it!

Taric25

Did I disrespect you by calling you names? No, I did not, so please do not disrespect me by calling me names.
The recent decision for the FCC to not mandade captions for religious services is terrible; I agree. If you have a problem, write the FCC, your congressman and senator: anything. Don't complain. Do something about it!
My friend Nader is Hearing. He is Blind. What kind of message do you think you give him when he cannot access your ASL VLog because it neither has audio nor text? Do you think he will appreciate the experience or suffer it? Do you think for one day in his life he takes either hearing or sight for granted?
You could ask me, and I would happily show you how you can easily caption your videos quickly for free. In fact, I am not the only person who is Hearing to show people who are Deaf and Hard–of–Hearing how to caption their VLogs for free. Take a look at Daniel Greene.
Text is required. The W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) requires that every creators "provide a text equivalent for every non-text element."[1] A person who is Dyslexic could still access a VLog with closed captions by using a screen reader to read the captions aloud.
That's correct. Text in addtion to non–text provides access.
Also correct. Negative behavior only leads to more negative behavior.
Remember, negative behavior only leads to more negative behaviour. Do not call names such as "naive", however, it is true that a person you cannot access information cannot understand it.
Right, I never said people must caption their VLogs. I simply asked if they should.
Again, I do not mandate people to caption their VLogs, and I do not believe we should punish people who do not caption their VLogs. I do believe we should congratulate people who do for their efforts to provide accessibility.
Now imagine how a person who is Blind or Low–Vision feels when trying to understand a VLog. If they cannot access the information, then they cannot understand it.
Negative behavior only leads to more negative behavior. You must be the change you wish to see in the world. Your positive behavior in captioning your VLogs will lead to more positve behavior of others also captioning their VLogs.
A person who uses a screen reader or refreshable braille display finds the color of text irrelevant. Thus, the color of texts is not a handicap for them, and it does not impair their ability to understand the information. A person who is Deaf or Hard–of–Hearing does find color of text relevant, because an ill–concieved website may make the information difficult or impossible to understand. This situation is analigous to VLogs without captions, because a person who is Blind or Low–Vision will find the information difficult or impossible to understand as well.
That is not how it works, because many people who are both Deaf and Hearing caption their VLogs, and many others will follow. In addition, I will continue to congratulate people who caption for their efforts to provide accessibility.
Simply because some individuals who are Hearing choose not to caption their ASL videos does not mean that people should not caption them. She is really, really hot, though.
Of course, we should encourage positive behavior by spreading the beauty of the language. I agree. It's wonderful to share that knowledge with everyone.
Just because she is well–known and/or respected and published by a professional scholarly source does not mean her field of expertise is relevant. She is published in professional scholarly work for her expertise in American Sign Language, true, however, she is not within any field of expertise concerning captions or their ease of implimentation. Signers can use VRS to leave themselves voicemail and check that voicemail with IP–Relay to obtain text. They can use that text to easily create closed captions, or at simply copy–and–paste the text for a text transcript. It's that easy!
You musn't depend on others to change the world for you. If you want people to listen to you, then you must get their attention. If you want their attention, then they must be able to understand the information you want to share. If they cannot access the information you want to share, then they cannot understand you. Thus, you must make sure your information is accessible. On the internet, in order for you to make your information accessible, you must provide a text element for every non–text element. Therefore, you must provide closed captions or a text transript in order for everyone to understand you in your VLogs.
I have seen many people caption their videos. I just showed you that World of Warcraft machinima. (Well, it had open captions instead of closed captions, but YouTube does not support closed captions.)