More movies without CC or CC symbol on DVDs.

UNYTruthHunters · 05-21-2012, 07:39 AM

I noticed more and more movies do not have CC on or the captioning symbol on DVD cases. I wonder why and I fear that they do not have Captioning so I do not buy it without one of those two--the CC or the symbol. Have you all noticed that?

Second of all, I am not a Blue Ray user and I am disappointed more movies are released as BR rather than DVDs. I will not buy any new releases or buy BR to replace all my DVDs collection just because they now want us to use BR. It is a dirty business market trick!

CrazyPaul · 05-21-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by UNYTruthHunters

I noticed more and more movies do not have CC on or the captioning symbol on DVD cases. I wonder why and I fear that they do not have Captioning so I do not buy it without one of those two--the CC or the symbol. Have you all noticed that?

Second of all, I am not a Blue Ray user and I am disappointed more movies are released as BR rather than DVDs. I will not buy any new releases or buy BR to replace all my DVDs collection just because they now want us to use BR. It is a dirty business market trick!

BD movies don't have CC, either but most of them have SDH. As you said that you noticed that more DVD movies don't have CC, what about subtitles? If they have English subtitles and/or SDH, then that's probably why they don't include CC anymore.

pixiestix · 05-21-2012, 10:56 AM

Regular dvds can be played on BR DVD now. just cant play BR on regular DVD.

The Highlander · 05-21-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by UNYTruthHunters

I noticed more and more movies do not have CC on or the captioning symbol on DVD cases. I wonder why and I fear that they do not have Captioning so I do not buy it without one of those two--the CC or the symbol. Have you all noticed that?

Second of all, I am not a Blue Ray user and I am disappointed more movies are released as BR rather than DVDs. I will not buy any new releases or buy BR to replace all my DVDs collection just because they now want us to use BR. It is a dirty business market trick!

I am disagreed with you. All blu-rays (NOT blue-ray) are SDH and they are better than traditional CC. Even you pause the movie and you still see SDH there which perfect for me to check dictionary what words mean. The traditional CC won't show up on the screen when you pause the movie which annoying to me and hard to remember how to spelling word to check in the dictionary. Also some traditional CC block on the screen which bother to me so much.
Like that.

It was not a dirty business. It's human error who don't know how to set up the SDH correct.

SDH = Subtitles for the deaf and hard-of-hearing

SDH is very pretty and it dont block on the screen so much unlike traditional CC.

Don't confused with subtitle. This is subtitle without sound as background, noise, etc.

GrayEagle · 05-21-2012, 12:58 PM

SDH is the new "CC" on newer dvds. So now I look for the "SDH" in the subtitle descriptions on the dvd case, if there is no CC symbol. The difference being you have to access the SDH through the setup menu of the DVD, and select it. I think the industry is moving from CC to SDH now.

CrazyPaul · 05-21-2012, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

I am disagreed with you. All blu-rays (NOT blue-ray) are SDH and they are better than traditional CC.

Yeah, I also like SDH better because of no black background.

GrayEagle · 05-22-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Yeah, I also like SDH better because of no black background.

Actually, I prefer the black background...

Especially if the lettering is light colored and imposed on part of the video portion, and not below as in the widescreen mode. I really hate when they use white or yellow because sometimes the captions are nearly invisible against the background of the movie/video itself. JMO, though.

***VamPyroX*** · 05-22-2012, 05:53 PM

That's because more DVDs are using SDH and regular subtitles instead of CC.

CrazyPaul · 05-23-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GrayEagle

Actually, I prefer the black background...

Especially if the lettering is light colored and imposed on part of the video portion, and not below as in the widescreen mode. I really hate when they use white or yellow because sometimes the captions are nearly invisible against the background of the movie/video itself. JMO, though.

Yeah, I remember that it was hard to read subtitles/SDH (especially OC movies at theaters) but I think it's getting better now as the texts become bold and yellowish. I haven't rented or bought DVDs for a long time due to torrented movies through internet. Anyway I still have old DVD movies and I had no problem reading their subtitles. I like torrented movies better because I can change font style, color, etc. I wish BD/DVD players offered that feature to make customers happy.

GISJason · 05-24-2012, 01:31 AM

Gosh what a pia... At least we got the internet sources for our movies and shows... I use this site Subtitles | Latest subtitles which does great and subs are posted usually an hour or so after they hit filesharing sites online. Digital all the way!!! ;-)

GISJason · 05-24-2012, 01:34 AM

ooops sorry double posted!

wilykat · 08-19-2012, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by UNYTruthHunters

I noticed more and more movies do not have CC on or the captioning symbol on DVD cases. I wonder why and I fear that they do not have Captioning so I do not buy it without one of those two--the CC or the symbol. Have you all noticed that?

Second of all, I am not a Blue Ray user and I am disappointed more movies are released as BR rather than DVDs. I will not buy any new releases or buy BR to replace all my DVDs collection just because they now want us to use BR. It is a dirty business market trick!

I have Blu player and a few BD. I get BD movies ONLY if they are really worth watching. Most of the animated show, shows and movies made for TV, and some regular movies that I like but not a lot will stay as DVD. I am not going to rush and replace 1000's DVD I have just because blu looks better.

Lau2046 · 08-19-2012, 04:24 PM

Blu ray is over rated. I have more DVDs than there are in some of the stores in Chinatown. Why would I throw hundreds of dollars away to replace all of them to "go digital"? Hell, even digital hearing aids haven't impressed me that much. As long as I've got subtitles of my movies, I'm fine without Blu ray.

JMH · 08-19-2012, 05:39 PM

Lately, I started to notice Blu-Ray movies' SDH are bad. As for an example, I know Lethal Weapon like back of my hand and I noticed so many missing words and you could see actor speaking more words than SDH showing. I also noticed that on Road Trip. It’s bit annoying me now.

**Foxrac** · 08-20-2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lau2046

Blu ray is over rated. I have more DVDs than there are in some of the stores in Chinatown. Why would I throw hundreds of dollars away to replace all of them to "go digital"? Hell, even digital hearing aids haven't impressed me that much. As long as I've got subtitles of my movies, I'm fine without Blu ray.

I disagree with you, BD is superior to DVD when come to HD and BD natively support 1080p, that's perfect for HDTV.

VacationGuy234 · 08-20-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by UNYTruthHunters

I noticed more and more movies do not have CC on or the captioning symbol on DVD cases. I wonder why and I fear that they do not have Captioning so I do not buy it without one of those two--the CC or the symbol. Have you all noticed that?

Do you have an example of this? I'm not sure if the law specifies a label must be included.

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Second of all, I am not a Blue Ray user and I am disappointed more movies are released as BR rather than DVDs. I will not buy any new releases or buy BR to replace all my DVDs collection just because they now want us to use BR. It is a dirty business market trick!

All BR players are backward compatible so you don't have to lose your DVD collection. You can use an old DVD with a new Blue Ray player.

***VamPyroX*** · 08-25-2012, 12:51 PM

Yes, they're releasing more and more movies/videos on blu-ray, but they're also releasing the same on DVDs.

You might have noticed an increase in blu-ray sales, but that's probably because those are "re-releases" of older titles that were previously on DVD in the past.

For instance, they re-released Back to the Future and Ghostbusters on blu-ray. They already have it on DVD in the past.

As for less DVDs having CC, that's probably because more companies are going with SDH instead of CC. SDH is like CC, but without the black boxes around the text.

CrazyPaul · 08-28-2012, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Yes, they're releasing more and more movies/videos on blu-ray, but they're also releasing the same on DVDs.

You might have noticed an increase in blu-ray sales, but that's probably because those are "re-releases" of older titles that were previously on DVD in the past.

For instance, they re-released Back to the Future and Ghostbusters on blu-ray. They already have it on DVD in the past.

As for less DVDs having CC, that's probably because more companies are going with SDH instead of CC. SDH is like CC, but without the black boxes around the text.

No, SDH is not like CC. CC requires a CC decoder. SDH doesn't require a CC decoder. Therefore SDH and CC are not the same.

***VamPyroX*** · 08-28-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

No, SDH is not like CC. CC requires a CC decoder. SDH doesn't require a CC decoder. Therefore SDH and CC are not the same.

I know that.

I was saying what was different when it shows up on the screen.

I already know that CC requires a decoder, while SDH doesn't.

CrazyPaul · 08-28-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

I know that.

I was saying what was different when it shows up on the screen.

I already know that CC requires a decoder, while SDH doesn't.

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You might have noticed an increase in blu-ray sales, but that's probably because those are "re-releases" of older titles that were previously on DVD in the past.

For instance, they re-released Back to the Future and Ghostbusters on blu-ray. They already have it on DVD in the past.

That's great and also some in 3-D but in the near future, there might be a new technology such as 2160p (1080p times 2) so we would have to start all over again. Alot of people still keep their old DVDs (1000+) and don't want to waste money on a new technology like BD. Oh, well, life goes on.

***VamPyroX*** · 08-30-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

That's great and also some in 3-D but in the near future, there might be a new technology such as 2160p (1080p times 2) so we would have to start all over again. Alot of people still keep their old DVDs (1000+) and don't want to waste money on a new technology like BD. Oh, well, life goes on.

1080 is already good enough as it is. It's because of how the human eye can perceive things on the screen. If they're going to increase the quality, then that will only be good on television screens that are wall-sized and we're sitting directly in front of it.

I had a roommate who was looking to buy a new big flat screen television. He was worried because of how expensive they were. I read an article about the difference between 1080 and 720. That's when I checked it out myself and confirmed it.

So, the next time we went to Best Buy... I told him to try something. We found two televisions... same size... same brand... everything the same... except one was 1080 and the other was 720. They were right next to each other.

I told him to stand in front of the television and tell me which looked better. He said the 1080 looked better. I then told him to stand at a distance to where he would actually be watching television (where he's putting the television) and he backed up. He said both looked the same. That's when he realized... for what he's using the television for, 720 is better. So, he bought that one and saved him half the cost.

Hardcore gamers who play video games 2 to 3 ft in front of the television... can benefit from 1080 televisions. Gamers who play video games from 5 to 7 ft in front of the television (or on a couch/bed)... can benefit from 720 televisions. No point wasting money on something you don't need. It's like buying a super fancy graphic calculator when you only want to do 2+2.

MushyCookies · 09-02-2012, 01:29 AM

Amen, I am Gamer and I Own a 55 inches Tv with 720p. WORKS amazing for me!

justagirl · 09-02-2012, 05:36 AM

Yes I have noticed that as well but I've also noticed that they have "English Subtitles" (maybe the new phase for CC?). And I can't watch TV for the life of me without CC. Have you noticed with TV the CC are usually lagging so far behind you have no clue what the heck is going on? Or that they are completely screwed up and garbled? That frustrates me so much. The other night I was watching a really great murder mystery on the BBC and the captions couldn't keep up so I had no idea what was being said. I can read lips but that only goes so far with TV/Movies. GRRR...wish they would fix that. Sorry my pet peeve.

MushyCookies · 09-02-2012, 05:54 AM

One of my pet peevess too, Justagirl... There are some shows i really like but the lag is just too extreme. OR the captioning style is like scrolling down.... not flashes after flash.. I HATE THAT so much, hurts my eyes trying to read it as it goes up the screen, obstructing the view to the whole movie. Julia Is not amused with some of the Captioning techinques this world have invented..

justagirl · 09-02-2012, 06:20 AM

UGH, I so agree with you MushyCookies...it kills my eyes as well. And then OMG, when it totally just get stuck! And I'm like "hey, what the crap!?" Then I am having to ask my husband, what's going so that I can keep up. So annoying. And it's really hard because so many shows/movies are like that on TV. I just don't get it, it's not like turning up the tv is going to help me by any means...sometimes I just give up and stop watching altogether.

CrazyPaul · 09-02-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

1080 is already good enough as it is. It's because of how the human eye can perceive things on the screen. If they're going to increase the quality, then that will only be good on television screens that are wall-sized and we're sitting directly in front of it.

I had a roommate who was looking to buy a new big flat screen television. He was worried because of how expensive they were. I read an article about the difference between 1080 and 720. That's when I checked it out myself and confirmed it.

So, the next time we went to Best Buy... I told him to try something. We found two televisions... same size... same brand... everything the same... except one was 1080 and the other was 720. They were right next to each other.

I told him to stand in front of the television and tell me which looked better. He said the 1080 looked better. I then told him to stand at a distance to where he would actually be watching television (where he's putting the television) and he backed up. He said both looked the same. That's when he realized... for what he's using the television for, 720 is better. So, he bought that one and saved him half the cost.

Time out! If you watch a BD movie that has 1080p resolution on 720p TV, it's not worth it because it will degrade the original video quality of BD. In other words, if you have a BD player that outputs 1080p which is a native resolution of BD movies, then buy 1080p TV which is better than 720p TV. It's a waste of money if you buy 720p TV when you have a BD player to watch BD movies.

***VamPyroX*** · 09-03-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MushyCookies

Amen, I am Gamer and I Own a 55 inches Tv with 720p. WORKS amazing for me!

That's good. I would be satisfied with a 720 as well. I play the game for the game, not the quality. I'm not going to say to my friend, "Whoa! Did you see how awesome that outfit looked on that guy I shot?" No, instead... I would say, "Whoa! Did you see how many guys I killed in 10 seconds?"

***VamPyroX*** · 09-03-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by justagirl

Yes I have noticed that as well but I've also noticed that they have "English Subtitles" (maybe the new phase for CC?). And I can't watch TV for the life of me without CC. Have you noticed with TV the CC are usually lagging so far behind you have no clue what the heck is going on? Or that they are completely screwed up and garbled? That frustrates me so much. The other night I was watching a really great murder mystery on the BBC and the captions couldn't keep up so I had no idea what was being said. I can read lips but that only goes so far with TV/Movies. GRRR...wish they would fix that. Sorry my pet peeve.

Does it happen all the time, during specific shows, specific channels, or specific times?

My in-laws have that problem on their television, but I think it only happens on one channel... which would mean it was that specific station that's lagging behind in the transmission. For instance, I'll be watching C.S.I.: Miami. The captions would be fine, then it stops for a few seconds... then it continues, but at super speed as it catches up with the current talking.

***VamPyroX*** · 09-03-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Time out! If you watch a BD movie that has 1080p resolution on 720p TV, it's not worth it because it will degrade the original video quality of BD. In other words, if you have a BD player that outputs 1080p which is a native resolution of BD movies, then buy 1080p TV which is better than 720p TV. It's a waste of money if you buy 720p TV when you have a BD player to watch BD movies.

Watching BD on a 720 is better than watching DVD on 720. 1080 is just better quality than 720, but if you're standing 7 ft away from a 720 and a 1080, both will look the same to you anyways. So, why bother spending a few extra hundred dollars on a 1080 when it looks the same as 720 from 7 ft away?

JMH · 09-03-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MushyCookies

Amen, I am Gamer and I Own a 55 inches Tv with 720p. WORKS amazing for me!

If it's console game, 720p usually the best. 1080p usually best for PC games or 1080p with 120hz would be great. I have 1080p on 46" HDTV with xBox 360 and PS3, it looks just alright. But it looks amazing on PC with 1080p 24" monitor. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by justagirl

Yes I have noticed that as well but I've also noticed that they have "English Subtitles" (maybe the new phase for CC?). And I can't watch TV for the life of me without CC. Have you noticed with TV the CC are usually lagging so far behind you have no clue what the heck is going on? Or that they are completely screwed up and garbled? That frustrates me so much. The other night I was watching a really great murder mystery on the BBC and the captions couldn't keep up so I had no idea what was being said. I can read lips but that only goes so far with TV/Movies. GRRR...wish they would fix that. Sorry my pet peeve.

Yeah, I know how you feel. I hate it, too. When a show does that, I turn it off and wait till BR release.

05-21-2012, 07:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
UNYTruthHunters Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Liverpool, NY Posts: 125	More movies without CC or CC symbol on DVDs. I noticed more and more movies do not have CC on or the captioning symbol on DVD cases. I wonder why and I fear that they do not have Captioning so I do not buy it without one of those two--the CC or the symbol. Have you all noticed that? Second of all, I am not a Blue Ray user and I am disappointed more movies are released as BR rather than DVDs. I will not buy any new releases or buy BR to replace all my DVDs collection just because they now want us to use BR. It is a dirty business market trick! spookyone likes this.

05-21-2012, 12:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
GrayEagle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: California Posts: 526	SDH is the new "CC" on newer dvds. So now I look for the "SDH" in the subtitle descriptions on the dvd case, if there is no CC symbol. The difference being you have to access the SDH through the setup menu of the DVD, and select it. I think the industry is moving from CC to SDH now. __________________ "We deem those happy who from the experience of life have learnt to bear its ills without being overcome by them." ~~Carl Jung

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*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 40.18, 58.41 Posts: 34,162	That's because more DVDs are using SDH and regular subtitles instead of CC. __________________ Check out my city... C L I C K H E R E! (If you've already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

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*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 40.18, 58.41 Posts: 34,162	Yes, they're releasing more and more movies/videos on blu-ray, but they're also releasing the same on DVDs. You might have noticed an increase in blu-ray sales, but that's probably because those are "re-releases" of older titles that were previously on DVD in the past. For instance, they re-released Back to the Future and Ghostbusters on blu-ray. They already have it on DVD in the past. As for less DVDs having CC, that's probably because more companies are going with SDH instead of CC. SDH is like CC, but without the black boxes around the text. __________________ Check out my city... C L I C K H E R E! (If you've already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

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05-21-2012, 10:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
pixiestix Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Washington 98003 Posts: 55	Regular dvds can be played on BR DVD now. just cant play BR on regular DVD.

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GISJason Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Cyberspace! Posts: 49	Gosh what a pia... At least we got the internet sources for our movies and shows... I use this site Subtitles \| Latest subtitles which does great and subs are posted usually an hour or so after they hit filesharing sites online. Digital all the way!!! ;-)

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GISJason Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Cyberspace! Posts: 49	ooops sorry double posted!

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Lau2046 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Peabody, MA Posts: 1,580	Blu ray is over rated. I have more DVDs than there are in some of the stores in Chinatown. Why would I throw hundreds of dollars away to replace all of them to "go digital"? Hell, even digital hearing aids haven't impressed me that much. As long as I've got subtitles of my movies, I'm fine without Blu ray.

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JMH Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Somewhere I don't remember Posts: 664	Lately, I started to notice Blu-Ray movies' SDH are bad. As for an example, I know Lethal Weapon like back of my hand and I noticed so many missing words and you could see actor speaking more words than SDH showing. I also noticed that on Road Trip. It’s bit annoying me now.

09-02-2012, 05:36 AM	#23 (permalink)
justagirl Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: AZ Posts: 345	Yes I have noticed that as well but I've also noticed that they have "English Subtitles" (maybe the new phase for CC?). And I can't watch TV for the life of me without CC. Have you noticed with TV the CC are usually lagging so far behind you have no clue what the heck is going on? Or that they are completely screwed up and garbled? That frustrates me so much. The other night I was watching a really great murder mystery on the BBC and the captions couldn't keep up so I had no idea what was being said. I can read lips but that only goes so far with TV/Movies. GRRR...wish they would fix that. Sorry my pet peeve.

09-02-2012, 05:54 AM	#24 (permalink)
MushyCookies Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Salem, Oregon. Posts: 413	One of my pet peevess too, Justagirl... There are some shows i really like but the lag is just too extreme. OR the captioning style is like scrolling down.... not flashes after flash.. I HATE THAT so much, hurts my eyes trying to read it as it goes up the screen, obstructing the view to the whole movie. Julia Is not amused with some of the Captioning techinques this world have invented.. __________________ May The Force Be With You.

09-02-2012, 06:20 AM	#25 (permalink)
justagirl Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: AZ Posts: 345	UGH, I so agree with you MushyCookies...it kills my eyes as well. And then OMG, when it totally just get stuck! And I'm like "hey, what the crap!?" Then I am having to ask my husband, what's going so that I can keep up. So annoying. And it's really hard because so many shows/movies are like that on TV. I just don't get it, it's not like turning up the tv is going to help me by any means...sometimes I just give up and stop watching altogether.

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