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Evo Dragon 01-19-2012 02:26 AM

ONSTAR is watching on you? ha...
 

Jiro 01-19-2012 02:29 AM

that's why I love my truck. it has no high-tech technology. no on-star. no gps. no nothing.

The Highlander 01-19-2012 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro (Post 2015989)
that's why I love my truck. it has no high-tech technology. no on-star. no gps. no nothing.

What truck?

deafsmogtech 01-19-2012 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander (Post 2016005)
What truck?

Huh, I thought you know his vehicle last year. His vehicle is XXXXterra.

The Highlander 01-19-2012 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by deafsmogtech (Post 2016028)
Huh, I thought you know his vehicle last year. His vehicle is XXXXterra.

That's calls it as truck? :laugh2:

deafsmogtech 01-19-2012 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro (Post 2015989)
that's why I love my truck. it has no high-tech technology. no on-star. no gps. no nothing.

I fear any new vehicles comes with factory's chips in modules or computers somewhere in the vehicles, let the governments track you. Maybe you truck have it? Never know....

deafsmogtech 01-19-2012 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander (Post 2016031)
That's calls it as truck? :laugh2:

Well, I follow the VECI labels as states Lt duty trucks as I inspect the Nissan Xterras. His another truck? I don't know.....

Evo Dragon 01-19-2012 07:30 AM

Onstar headquarter can track your car when crash sensor go alert itself.


purplecatty 01-19-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by deafsmogtech (Post 2016032)
I fear any new vehicles comes with factory's chips in modules or computers somewhere in the vehicles, let the governments track you. Maybe you truck have it? Never know....

You can always find out inside PCM. Take it apart and look for chip that plugged into it. OR if you see "black box" outside of PCM. Perhap you can disable it without getting PCM disabled from unplugging. Sometime you can buy Aftermarket PCM so you won't have to worry about Big Brother watching every move you make.

I read news few years ago that there were suggesting adding "blackbox" just like Airline so they can track your movement, where were you, and how fast you were going. One was to track your driving habit so once the blackbox transmit signal to insurance co, rates would go up or down. It was considered invading privacy and unfair practice so they dropped.

I would do anything to hack the black box and remove internal antenna, or anything that transmit signal wirelessly. I do have gut to take PCM out and take it apart and see what I can do without damaging main engine computer unit. Disabling one chip if it doesn't affect main engine computer then it's worth it. Some PCM may have some type of black solid filled inside to prevent you from hacking the chipset. Then Aftermarket would be the one that you would need.

In matter of fact today and future, I doubt that it would install all vehicles. I believe Onstar would be the one that was factory installed. I thought Onstar requires monthly payment to use their service. If you don't want to then you can disable the service thus render Onstar non functioning. (I know Onstar isn't free)...

Catty

deafsmogtech 01-20-2012 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by purplecatty (Post 2016608)
You can always find out inside PCM. Take it apart and look for chip that plugged into it. OR if you see "black box" outside of PCM. Perhap you can disable it without getting PCM disabled from unplugging. Sometime you can buy Aftermarket PCM so you won't have to worry about Big Brother watching every move you make.

I read news few years ago that there were suggesting adding "blackbox" just like Airline so they can track your movement, where were you, and how fast you were going. One was to track your driving habit so once the blackbox transmit signal to insurance co, rates would go up or down. It was considered invading privacy and unfair practice so they dropped.

I would do anything to hack the black box and remove internal antenna, or anything that transmit signal wirelessly. I do have gut to take PCM out and take it apart and see what I can do without damaging main engine computer unit. Disabling one chip if it doesn't affect main engine computer then it's worth it. Some PCM may have some type of black solid filled inside to prevent you from hacking the chipset. Then Aftermarket would be the one that you would need.

In matter of fact today and future, I doubt that it would install all vehicles. I believe Onstar would be the one that was factory installed. I thought Onstar requires monthly payment to use their service. If you don't want to then you can disable the service thus render Onstar non functioning. (I know Onstar isn't free)...

Catty

Beat me.... I'm thinking to like your post.... Yes you can crack up the ancient PCMs but no black boxes there. I noticed the new high technology PCMs or modules have factory sealed like epoxy filled inside the PC or special riveted or molded process...You can not crack them. NOT ALL the vehicles. No way, I know where is the location of the black boxes cuz I use to looking up the electrical diagram to diagnosing the MIL or no start conditions, see no black box word on the diagram. Nothing but I think the black box might be in the other modules such as BCM (body control module) that might store the collision info that will lead the body tech (auto body shop) pull the codes or review the freeze frames (copy and report to the insurance company) I don't know exact.
You says about GPS? I think you are right about the antenna module..
I've seen some blank electrical connectors or panel box under the dash, they are for factory installment of like thief alarm, add OnStar etc...
I can't recall of the other devices...

webexplorer 01-25-2012 10:30 AM

I am just wondering if no one is interested to pay the OnStar service, then the OnStar might convince the insurance companies to hide the OnStar's fee in the insurance bills. I mean not today, but for the future like in 5 years. Yes, I will definitely remove any parts of OnStar in my next truck. I can't believe what you told us your story.

Foxrac 01-25-2012 11:09 AM

I hate Onstar, just other GM garbage!!!

deafsmogtech 01-25-2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer (Post 2019903)
I am just wondering if no one is interested to pay the OnStar service, then the OnStar might convince the insurance companies to hide the OnStar's fee in the insurance bills. I mean not today, but for the future like in 5 years. Yes, I will definitely remove any parts of OnStar in my next truck. I can't believe what you told us your story.

Maybe not.... Remove or disable OnStar device (module) then the vehicle won't start because the PCM will read the feedback from OnStar and anti theft modules. No communication from the modules, PCM will disable fuel pump..... Just caution..

PowerON 01-25-2012 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander (Post 2016031)
That's calls it as truck? :laugh2:

I recall that he said it feel like truck. I rode in his and it does feel like truck to me.

Jiro 01-25-2012 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander (Post 2016031)
That's calls it as truck? :laugh2:

yup

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Originally Posted by PowerON (Post 2020042)
I recall that he said it feel like truck. I rode in his and it does feel like truck to me.

yup! because it's designed to feel like a truck and drive like a truck. it certainly doesn't have a car-like feeling so it rocks/sways back and forth over pothole and plus - it sits very tall.

If you want an SUV - get a Rogue or Murano. If you want it to looks like an Xterra but with SUV feel & luxury features, get a Pathfinder. Better hurry before Nissan replaces Pathfinder with this ugly new model - 2012 Nissan Pathfinder Concept goes back to unibody

but as for Xterra model - it's here to stay and it won't change for some while. later tonight - I'll show you a pix of what I'll slowly convert my Xterra into :cool2:

The Highlander 01-25-2012 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON (Post 2020042)
I recall that he said it feel like truck. I rode in his and it does feel like truck to me.

I drove Xterra before and yeah it's pretty high and feels like truck but there is no 5th wheeler. The real truck always have 5th wheeler.

Chevy57 01-25-2012 05:41 PM

GM said OnStar patent allows deaf, hard-of-hearing and speech-impaired people to use OnStar through a TTY compatible in-vehicle module. The module allows the driver and passengers to interact with an OnStar advisor as well as TTY users outside of the car. That s old story! But should be Bluetooth enabled mobile device to use text message on OnStar.

The Highlander 01-25-2012 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by deafsmogtech (Post 2019975)
Maybe not.... Remove or disable OnStar device (module) then the vehicle won't start because the PCM will read the feedback from OnStar and anti theft modules. No communication from the modules, PCM will disable fuel pump..... Just caution..

Yep, Even if you tried to run away from cop then cop simple call to Onstar then onstar will disable your engine down.

Jiro 01-25-2012 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander (Post 2020172)
Yep, Even if you tried to run away from cop then cop simple call to Onstar then onstar will disable your engine down.

Doesn't work like that. A warrant is needed for that. And plus I can see a lot of legal issues with it.

Jane B. 01-25-2012 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander (Post 2020172)
Yep, Even if you tried to run away from cop then cop simple call to Onstar then onstar will disable your engine down.

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Originally Posted by Jiro (Post 2020198)
Doesn't work like that. A warrant is needed for that. And plus I can see a lot of legal issues with it.

On the other hand I have seen it on TV news where a car-jacked car was recovered by having the On-Star service disable it.

Jiro 01-25-2012 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jane B. (Post 2020228)
On the other hand I have seen it on TV news where a car-jacked car was recovered by have the On-Star service disable it.

was it a sting operation?

Jane B. 01-25-2012 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro (Post 2020229)
was it a sting operation?

No, as I remember it, it was initiated by the victim in cooperation with the police and On-Star.

deafsmogtech 01-25-2012 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro (Post 2020050)
yup


yup! because it's designed to feel like a truck and drive like a truck. it certainly doesn't have a car-like feeling so it rocks/sways back and forth over pothole and plus - it sits very tall.

If you want an SUV - get a Rogue or Murano. If you want it to looks like an Xterra but with SUV feel & luxury features, get a Pathfinder. Better hurry before Nissan replaces Pathfinder with this ugly new model - 2012 Nissan Pathfinder Concept goes back to unibody

but as for Xterra model - it's here to stay and it won't change for some while. later tonight - I'll show you a pix of what I'll slowly convert my Xterra into :cool2:

I've seen the thick and strong frames of the Xterras, like Land Rover LR3s frames, that example of what the Xterra's stiff ride looks like.

Jiro 01-25-2012 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander (Post 2020120)
I drove Xterra before and yeah it's pretty high and feels like truck but there is no 5th wheeler. The real truck always have 5th wheeler.

oh 5th wheel? here it is -

:cool2:
http://i41.tinypic.com/25h0adx.jpg

Jiro 01-25-2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jane B. (Post 2020234)
No, as I remember it, it was initiated by the victim in cooperation with the police and On-Star.

ah there ya go. only the owner of vehicle can do it and nobody else unless the police has warrant.

The Highlander 01-26-2012 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro (Post 2020198)
Doesn't work like that. A warrant is needed for that. And plus I can see a lot of legal issues with it.

OnStar debuts Stolen Vehicle Slowdown service

No warrant need.

The Highlander 01-26-2012 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro (Post 2020359)
oh 5th wheel? here it is -

:cool2:
http://i41.tinypic.com/25h0adx.jpg

That's calls hauler trailer.

No wonder you are city boy.



This is real 5th wheeler.
http://www.airsafehitches.com/32K-5th-Wheel.jpg
http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/fifth-wheel-hitches-1.jpg

http://www.ultimarv.com.au/bin/image...ma27_ext_3.jpg

http://www.thetruckersreport.com/images/fifthwheel.jpg

Jiro 01-26-2012 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander (Post 2020398)

that's the definition of "real truck"? says who?

well then in that case....
http://i44.tinypic.com/1491df9.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/124hc94.jpg

Jiro 01-26-2012 02:59 AM

PowerOn - here.... this is what I'd like to transform my truck into.

http://i43.tinypic.com/90rbqh.jpg

Jiro 01-26-2012 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander (Post 2020397)

you just proved my Post #25.
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Also, and perhaps we're just being paranoid, but it's a little unsettling to know that a service center rep in a cubicle somewhere has the ability to disable your engine at a moment's notice. We wonder if there's a slippery slope here that should be considered. For instance, can the service be used against the owner of the car who is paying for it? We can imagine a situation in which a divorced parent abducts his or her own child and takes off in a 2009 Malibu equipped with OnStar. The cops give pursuit and realize the car is equipped with OnStar. Could law enforcement then contact OnStar without the subscriber's permission if he or she is breaking the law and giving pursuit. It's something to think about before you subscribe and a question OnStar should answer before the case arises.
but OnStar company clarified about this technology -
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The process for Stolen Vehicle Slowdown is:
Once the vehicle has been reported stolen to law enforcement, the subscriber can call OnStar and request Stolen Vehicle Location Assistance. OnStar will confirm the subscriber has not opted out of the Stolen Vehicle Slowdown service.

OnStar will use real-time GPS technology to attempt to pinpoint the exact location of the stolen vehicle and provide this information to law enforcement to help them recover the vehicle.

When law enforcement has established a clear line of sight of the stolen vehicle, law enforcement may request OnStar to slow it down remotely.

Safeguards will be in place to ensure that the correct vehicle is slowed down.
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Research has shown that 95 percent of OnStar subscribers want the Stolen Vehicle Slowdown service available on their cars and trucks. OnStar subscribers have the choice to opt-out of the Stolen Vehicle Slowdown service at any time by contacting OnStar if they prefer not to have this capability on their vehicle. This will not affect the rest of their OnStar services.
bottom line - police officers CANNOT do it themselves without owner's permission or warrant.


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