dereksbicycles

Do you look at what people drive and wonder why they got a Lincoln or Cadillac? Why did they not get anything with turbocharged engine?

I look at all those people who drives minivan and big vans. I wonder why they did not get anything turbocharged?

I think that turbocharged vehicles are the way to go. They're fun to drive!!!

Deafness

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The Highlander

Then why you bought a Dodge RAM without the turbocharger?

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dereksbicycles

They did not come with tubochargers. Only Cummins have turbos....

diehardbiker

"Only" Cummins have turbo? Are you kidding? Maybe you need to research more.

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dereksbicycles

I meant that Cummins was only turbo offered on Rams. If Rams had any other types of Turbos, I think that the whole world will want to know

Evo Dragon

Turbo might get a gas-guzzle tax.

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The Highlander

No.

2012 Chevy Cruze | Compact Car | Chevrolet

I4 with turbocharger get more torque and better MPG than V6.


VW Polo diesel with turbo and it got 70 mpg.

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I think naturally aspired engines are the way to go, especially when they're in the upper 300+ horsepower category.

My question is to you - have you drove a car that packs 300+ horsepower without turbos and compared them with turbos?

sequoias

Nah, turbo isn't the way to go. Turbo makes the car less reliable than the NA version, depending how powerful the turbo is. For example, a 1986 Saab 900 turbo last time I heard that it died at over 320k miles on it but the turbo got shot at around 230k miles. I prefer not to have a turbo on the car that complicates things.

Ausrider

keep in mind the price difference between a turbo rebuild and a engine rebuild is huge, I changed the turbo on my car and it cost just a few beers for me and a mate and the turbo cost, and when fuel economy is bought in the equation I would imagine that the turbo would come out on top. One thing with turbos is use turbo specific oil or the cheap stuff thats on special will kill it.

sequoias

yes and you have to change the oil more often on cars with turbo than the cars without turbo. The turbo makes the oil wear out faster.

Ausrider

10000km is often enough just like na cars unless your racing everywhere, oil has come a long way in the past 20 years

tigersharkdude

ah, N/A or FI. Its an age old question. If you dont know much about cars and are just want an A-B mode of transportation, go N/A. People that own turbo'd/FI cars tend to be in a completely category.


Oh and OP..........Cummins=Diesel, does not necessarily mean turbo (most of the time yes, but some crazy people do run Cummins N/A diesels [why, who know's]).

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dereksbicycles

I have not tried, but I had a 1993 Eclipse GSX when I was in high school. It was fast for me!! Now I am an old man, but I still think turbos are cool!!

The Highlander

Depend how driver and engine are.

80's or older vehicle with turbocharger do not have the intercooler. Without the intercooler make turbocharger life short. That's why most new vehicle have intercooler for powerful turbocharger.

Most drivers don't know that engine with turbocharger SHOULD idle engine to cool down the oil for around five minutes before shut the engine down or oil get burn inside the turbocharger. It's make turbocharger and oil are life short.

Did you tried drive Subaru Sti? Do you noticed why it wont shut engine down immediately as you turned key off? It still running without key for 2-5 minutes till oil cool down then auto shut down.

Most diesel turbo's oil life last around 20k.

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The Highlander

Powerful engine as 400hp just push your chest back on the seat so hard at low RPM and 450hp with turbocharger push your chest at high RPM.

My friend told me once that he drove on Ford Mustang with 600hp from his friend and he got stomach sore for few days.

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Ausrider

A Australian car called the FPV F6 (its a 4lt straight 6 turbocharged) makes 422hp and 416lb of torque and its need a oil change every 15000km

The Highlander

One of my friend really want FPV F6 so badly and he said STUPID USA don't allow FPV F6. I guess FPV F6's emission failed due EPA. It's make sense since it's I6 like Skyline's EPA failed.

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I believe the USA emission laws are very strict. The 2011 Kawasaki ZX10 was put on a leash because of the USA emission laws. Everyone else gets the normal version except for them.

The Highlander

Yes, it's call EPA. US Environmental Protection Agency

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Dam EPA are killing all the fun

deafsmogtech

Turbos (for gas powered engines) are not my favorite. Newer Caddy uses supercharger. Lincoln?

deafsmogtech

True, if improper oil grade/weight can ruin turbocharger's ball bearings, you lucky to have turbocharger swap in ur vehicle in your homeland but in California, NO add-on turbocharger or supercharger allows in this state without approved CARB (California Air Resources Board) certifications.

deafsmogtech

Most stringent state in USA is CALIFORNIA...

diehardbiker

Its nothing to do with crazy people, it is the way it was built. The first Diesel engines don't have turbos, this includes Cummins, and other diesel engine like the one I own (Navistar, AKA International), Detroit Diesel for GM, etc. The only reason behind adding turbo in Diesel is to increase the speed from zero to whatever in less time. I think it is silly really as I believe it is best let the engine do their work than whipping the diesel ass to get it faster. Anyway, these Diesel that had turbo installed can not be removed and that is because the engine designed that way so can't remove it. Unless somebody gets the idea how to remove turbo from Navistar Diesel engine let me know. And I would love it to be removed because they are expensive to repair or replace. Turbo for my truck replacement cost would be around $3k plus labor and few other parts that is required to replaced. Urgh!

Other examples are, first diesel engine in Ford F-series trucks was in 1982. About 10 years later, turbo were add on top of Diesel in ford trucks. It same thing applies to other car makers.

I personally do not believe that Turbos would means fuel efficient, and I think they are less fuel efficient (IMHO) and I can tell you why. Mind you, friend of mine had 1997 F-350 crew cab with 7.3L and it got smaller turbo than mine and he got better mileage than mine. Don't forget, my Diesel engine is 6.0L with bigger turbo. Secondly, I had first generation Diesel VW Jetta and there was no turbo in it and I get easy 60MPG and I am not lying with this one, then next generation VW Jetta had Turbo add which gives another 50 HP and gets only 45MPG. Loss of 15 MPG with Turbo added? How can it be fuel efficient? Yeah, the only disadvantage of without turbo is that when red light turns to green, I floor it every time and it takes time for it to reach to 60 MPH, maybe 15 or 20 seconds. I don't mind that as long as it saves me money.

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deafsmogtech

I recently replaced an IAC last couple of weeks ago in same 1993 Eclipse but I didn't see "GSX", have AWD with manual tranny. The engine looks horrible with black oily stained all over the compartment and engine/tranny. Gross.

dereksbicycles

That Eclipse must have went fast one too many times that the GSX name plate fell off. It's lucky that this turbo engine is still alive. Looks like it was not well cared for. Not many of those people with sports car take good care of them.

deafsmogtech

Turbo(s) can't remove from Navistar Diesel engine? Really, I didn't know that. Something interest to me.

diehardbiker

That is what I was told, as it has to do with computer and oil connection. I am not sure exact why and not bother trying to find out.

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J-MAC's quote: "People who try and fail are more superior than people who don't try at all"

"If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny."
Thomas Jefferson (1778)

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deafsmogtech

Oh no wonder