4 wheel drive problems - Page 4

diehardbiker · 07-10-2010, 10:14 PM

Yeah, I have met many former Cherokee owners, they all regretted sold them while I have not met any Grand Cherokee ex owner having regret sold them. Actually, the opposite. I was so hesistated into buying Grand Cherokee as next family SUV. I haven't decided and I am waiting for another 3 years to see how Jeep fare in the end. I am still pissed off they stopped making the best damn SUV known as Cherokee. I am still keeping my Cherokee as long as I can, and have no plan to sell it to anyone except junk yard.

Personally, I am hoping that I will buy Jeep Wrangler Unlimited (JK) with 4 door, Rubicon editon. The issue is the motor, I am not comfortable with these new motors. Wish they keep 4.0L. If they actually improved motor quality then I will give go ahead. But the next choice would be Ford F-250 powerstroke Diesel. I have checked other SUV and pu truck, even Nissan Frontier which I find impressive yet was not sure if it fits me and my family. The goal is to buy next family vehicle and keep for 15 years. That way, I could get third one after 5 years which probably 70's CJ-5. I have been drooling over my neighbor's shining apple red lifted 1979 CJ-5. Damn beautiful Jeep.

Seriously, I was at camp few days ago up in the Adirondack mountains, mind that no Cherokee is any younger than 9 years old and I still see alot Cherokees running strong up there. Unbelieveable. I was told that 93 and 94 Cherokee is now classic and is best year of all Cherokee years, mine is 98.

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

I am agreed with you for everything. I don't heard any one have issue with Cherokee so far unlike Grand Cherokee. I used factory scan tool on Grand Cherokee once and oh my god. It have over 20 PCM/BCM (I think).

posts from hell · 07-10-2010, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

Are you sure you own Grand Cherokee?

This is not about you or me, anyways. This is about the OP's issues. We don't need to get into a BS "I know better than you" war here. It's almost like having a penis size competition. If you want to hash this out, take it to the PM's.

diehardbiker · 07-10-2010, 10:37 PM

I have not said anyone that they are wrong. Just that I sense some confusion. No one is perfect.

Often people confuses between Cherokee and Grand Cherokee, thinking they are the same thing which in reality it is not. Even sometimes when I need to order, they got wrong parts. I had to tell them no, this is not Grand Cherokee. Oh well.

I see that you owned Cherokee and Grand Cherokee, then great.

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

This is not about you or me, anyways. This is about the OP's issues. We don't need to get into a BS "I know better than you" war here. It's almost like having a penis size competition. If you want to hash this out, take it to the PM's.

posts from hell · 07-10-2010, 10:47 PM

own, not owned.

diehardbiker · 07-10-2010, 10:54 PM

Awesome, still have both? Curious which do you like better? Cherokee or Grand Cherokee? What year? I never own Grand Cherokee, however rode them yes. They are nice riding.

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

own, not owned.

**sequoias** · 07-10-2010, 11:00 PM

I've driven the 2010 Grand Cherokee, it's nice but not for me. It's pretty powerful V6 engine also my parent rented a late 90's Jeep Grand Cherokee when we went to Yoesemite.

It was nice!

diehardbiker · 07-10-2010, 11:01 PM

I know what you mean, the power is awesome.

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Originally Posted by sequoias

I've driven the 2010 Grand Cherokee, it's nice but not for me. It's pretty powerful V6 engine also my parent rented a late 90's Jeep Grand Cherokee when we went to Yoesemite.

It was nice!

Glenn · 07-10-2010, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

Jeep have both AWD and 4x4?

AWD don't have " transfer case" It's direct from transmission for four wheels unlike 4x4.

Where can I find a info for Jeep have AWD have both AWD and 4x4?

My girlfriend's Jeep has SelecTrac (I think) transfer case. Options are:

2wd
full-time 4wd. Same as AWD. Can be used on/off pavement and has a central differentail. This is high range only (as far as I know).
4x4. This locks the center differential and is for off-road and only for part time use. This is both high and low range.

It's a 2002 Grand Cherokee. Has the 4.0l engine. I don't think it is very uncommon for Grand Cherokees and Cherokees to have this type of transfer case.

The Highlander · 07-10-2010, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

This is not about you or me, anyways. This is about the OP's issues. We don't need to get into a BS "I know better than you" war here. It's almost like having a penis size competition. If you want to hash this out, take it to the PM's.

No.

Again, Are you sure you own Grand Cherokee or not?

Glenn · 07-10-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

No.

Again, Are you sure you own Grand Cherokee or not?

I think he does. He has posted videos of driving it.

The Highlander · 07-10-2010, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn

My girlfriend's Jeep has SelecTrac (I think) transfer case. Options are:

2wd
full-time 4wd. Same as AWD. Can be used on/off pavement and has a central differentail. This is high range only (as far as I know).
4x4. This locks the center differential and is for off-road and only for part time use. This is both high and low range.

It's a 2002 Grand Cherokee. Has the 4.0l engine. I don't think it is very uncommon for Grand Cherokees and Cherokees to have this type of transfer case.

This is manual transmission AWD with differential and no transfer case need.

This is 4x4 use transmission with transfer case

How to be full-time 4x4 same as AWD?

The Highlander · 07-10-2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn

I think he does. He has posted videos of driving it.

Then why he won't answer my question? Why question was so hard to answer? He just off-point about drama thing.

diehardbiker · 07-10-2010, 11:29 PM

I just researched, and interesting. AWD and full time 4x4 is almost same function. The only difference between AWD and full time 4x4 is that AWD do not offer Low gear that full time 4x4 offers.

All wheel drive (AWD) is almost the same thing as full time 4WD - it is a system that powers all four wheels of a vehicle at all times as well. It can be used full time on all surfaces including pavement like full time 4WD. Difference to full time 4WD is that a "4-low" setting is not available in AWD cars. Due to the lack of "low range", AWD vehicles are much less capable in off-road settings than full time 4WD vehicles, but work perfectly well on-road.

What is the difference between full time four wheel drive, all wheel drive versus automaticall wheel drive (on-demand system)

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

This is manual transmission AWD with differential and no transfer case need.

This is 4x4 use transmission with transfer case

How to be full-time 4x4 same as AWD?

posts from hell · 07-10-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Awesome, still have both? Curious which do you like better? Cherokee or Grand Cherokee? What year? I never own Grand Cherokee, however rode them yes. They are nice riding.

Yes I still have both. I have had more than 15 jeeps... I like the Grand Cherokees better.

posts from hell · 07-10-2010, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

Then why he won't answer my question? Why question was so hard to answer? He just off-point about drama thing.

Because I already answered. It also does not need to continue.

diehardbiker · 07-10-2010, 11:33 PM

Its no big deal. I am not here to start drama. If he does not want to admit then let him be. At least give him time.

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

Then why he won't answer my question? Why question was so hard to answer? He just off-point about drama thing.

diehardbiker · 07-10-2010, 11:34 PM

Since you had Cherokee, which year? I am just curious.

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Yes I still have both. I have had more than 15 jeeps... I like the Grand Cherokees better.

The Highlander · 07-10-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

I just researched, and interesting. AWD and full time 4x4 is almost same function. The only difference between AWD and full time 4x4 is that AWD do not offer Low gear that full time 4x4 offers.

All wheel drive (AWD) is almost the same thing as full time 4WD - it is a system that powers all four wheels of a vehicle at all times as well. It can be used full time on all surfaces including pavement like full time 4WD. Difference to full time 4WD is that a "4-low" setting is not available in AWD cars. Due to the lack of "low range", AWD vehicles are much less capable in off-road settings than full time 4WD vehicles, but work perfectly well on-road.

What is the difference between full time four wheel drive, all wheel drive versus automaticall wheel drive (on-demand system)

Yes, I know about that. It just said "almost" same but AWD don't have drive chain at all.

I already explained about this.

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posts from hell · 07-10-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Since you had Cherokee, which year? I am just curious.

Cherokee: 1989->1995, '98, '99.
The one in the backyard currently is a '92

The Highlander · 07-10-2010, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Because I already answered. It also does not need to continue.

Because you was not clear enough. There is need to continue till clear.

diehardbiker · 07-10-2010, 11:41 PM

Yeah, I just read it. I agree with you. I got nothing against Subby but it is not in for me. I like the "Orignals". Even though you said its more mainteance with 4x4 than AWD which I heard true but my experience differ. I never had problem with 4x4. You were right that it is a no no for AWD when it comes to haul, push or pull. I do these sometimes, that is why I stick with 4x4 instead of AWD.

What I learn from long time friend that is mechanic. He said it is mostly personal preferance. Some cars are perfect for some people while it isn't for others, and other cars are just the opposite. For example, you may have great experience with Subby while I had bad experience with, while other cars that I had great experience but you had bad experience. There is no such thing as one vehicle fits all.

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

Yes, I know about that. It just said "almost" same but AWD don't have drive chain at all.

I already explained about this.

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diehardbiker · 07-10-2010, 11:43 PM

I see why you prefer Grand Cherokee. 92 and earlier Cherokee is not that great. They are full of problems especially with Carbs, believe it or not it was made by Ford. In 93 Chrysler decided to change from Carb to Fuel Injector which actually improved big time.

What about Grand Cherokees, which year?

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Cherokee: 1989->1995, '98, '99.
The one in the backyard currently is a '92

diehardbiker · 07-10-2010, 11:47 PM

Why not drink beer and be merry?

We are here to talk like real Americans that can't live without one thing... its called "set of 4 wheels".

I no want to start wars here. If he does not want to answer then let him. He already answered my questions, and I am cool.

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

Because you was not clear enough. There is need to continue till clear.

Glenn · 07-10-2010, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

This is manual transmission AWD with differential and no transfer case need.

This is 4x4 use transmission with transfer case

How to be full-time 4x4 same as AWD?

They behave the same on the road...AWD and full-time 4x4 can be used on dry pavement. I know there are mechanical differences, but they function the same.

The Highlander · 07-10-2010, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn

They behave the same on the road...AWD and full-time 4x4 can be used on dry pavement. I know there are mechanical differences, but they function the same.

Okay, I am agreed with you. No complained.

The Highlander · 07-10-2010, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Why not drink beer and be merry?

We are here to talk like real Americans that can't live without one thing... its called "set of 4 wheels".

I no want to start wars here. If he does not want to answer then let him. He already answered my questions, and I am cool.

Maybe he dislike non-american person like me.

diehardbiker · 07-10-2010, 11:56 PM

I do not think your non-American, aren't you?

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

Maybe he dislike non-american person like me.

posts from hell · 07-11-2010, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

Maybe he dislike non-american person like me.

Don't pull that stuff, please. It doesn't do your image any good. This is a forum, all I see are words, I don't even know what you look like.

edit: unless you mean you buy non-american...
That doesnt matter either.

posts from hell · 07-11-2010, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

I see why you prefer Grand Cherokee. 92 and earlier Cherokee is not that great. They are full of problems especially with Carbs, believe it or not it was made by Ford. In 93 Chrysler decided to change from Carb to Fuel Injector which actually improved big time.

What about Grand Cherokees, which year?

I like the comfort of the grand cherokees.

The grand I have out front is 94, and 95.

posts from hell · 07-11-2010, 12:09 AM

Want to know what's ironic about all this??

I buy and fix up jeeps to resell.. Guess which has the most issues:

Cherokees. (Not Grand Cherokees.)

That is also the reason I find them for so cheap everywhere... Grand's not so much.

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sequoias Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa, wind generation capital Posts: 21,947	I've driven the 2010 Grand Cherokee, it's nice but not for me. It's pretty powerful V6 engine also my parent rented a late 90's Jeep Grand Cherokee when we went to Yoesemite. It was nice!

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posts from hell Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,433	Want to know what's ironic about all this?? I buy and fix up jeeps to resell.. Guess which has the most issues: Cherokees. (Not Grand Cherokees.) That is also the reason I find them for so cheap everywhere... Grand's not so much.