A Motorcycle Thread About Absolutely Nothing!

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by ncff07

Not always. In NC you CAN take the DMV written test and get a motorcycle learners permit without taking the skills test and drive a bike on the roads. The only restriction is that you can not have a passenger with a learners permit.

You DO NOT have to have taken the written test at the DMV in order to take the MSF class. You can sign up for the class without ever having taken a bike test or even been on a bike before and the college furnishes bikes for the class. After taking the class you'd get a certificate to take to the DMV and they waive their bike skills test and you just have to pass the written test.

Are you sure about that? MSF's Basic Rider Course requires the riders to have a learner permit prior to taking the course.

BRC

Successful completion of the BRC will earn you a skills waiver card for the NCDMV. This means the DMV will not require you to take their motorcycle riding test. You will still be required to visit your local DMV office and take their written exam before being issued a motorcycle endorsement.

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by Endemic

Jiro, I didnt have a perimt to go to take a MSF. I never had one before. After all my MSF class passed and got me a piece of paper to go to DMV to replace my license to put "M" on my license then I am good to go.

I just checked out Virginia's MSF. How ghastly - no learner's permit is needed but it makes sense since Virginia's MSF teaches you and certifies you in one place.

[Endemic]

I am lucky

[ncff07]

Originally Posted by Jiro

I just read North Carolina DMV. It stated that the rider must be licensed (automobile) prior to getting a motorcycle learner's permit. I wouldn't worry about it too much because I believe most people have common sense to ride it safely and not ride on highway.

Yea they have to have a valid auto license the learners permit is just an endorsement on their license. Have to have a valid regular license to take the MSF class to. When I took it the instructors made everyone show their drivers license the first 10 minutes of class. That and fill out a liability waiver for the college. Where I took it the college owns 12 bikes for the class. Those taking it can use their own if they want to but most dont which is a good thing for someone thats never driven a bike. If they lay it down on the course they dont have to pay to repair it. Most of the bikes when I took it were missing turn signals or they didnt even work. The instructor told us just to assume they worked.

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by ncff07

Most of the bikes when I took it were missing turn signals or they didnt even work. The instructor told us just to assume they worked.

same for headlight

[ncff07]

Originally Posted by Jiro

Are you sure about that? MSF's Basic Rider Course requires the riders to have a learner permit prior to taking the course.

BRC

Yup im sure. I did go to the DMV and take the written test and got the learners permit before I took the MSF class but it was just me and 2 others that had taken bikes tests before and one of those was from out of state.

[Reba]

Originally Posted by Endemic

Jiro, I didnt have a perimt to go to take a MSF. I never had one before. After all my MSF class passed and got me a piece of paper to go to DMV to replace my license to put "M" on my license then I am good to go.

Did you ride your bike to the MSF class or did you use a loaner bike that was provided by the class?

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by ncff07

Yup im sure. I did go to the DMV and take the written test and got the learners permit before I took the MSF class but it was just me and 2 others that had taken bikes tests before and one of those was from out of state.

ah. there you go then. It contradicted with your previous statement - "You DO NOT have to have taken the written test at the DMV in order to take the MSF class."

[ncff07]

Originally Posted by Jiro

same for headlight

That reminded me I dont think I saw any that were missing the complete headlight assembly but I noticed some that had duct tape over the front of the light.

[ncff07]

Sorry for the confusion there, you dont have to take it but I did.

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by ncff07

Sorry for the confusion there, you dont have to take it but I did.

makes me want to say "F IT! Let's ride!"

[ncff07]

Originally Posted by Jiro

makes me want to say "F IT! Let's ride!"

[The Highlander]

Originally Posted by Jiro

no.... you're not understanding me. There are 2 required parts to get licensed - written test and road test.

1. You go to DMV to take written test to get a motorcycle permit which allows you to take Basic Rider Course at MSF
2. The MSF Instructor is authorized to evaluate you for road test. If he/she passes you - then you can go to DMV to get a motorcycle license ("M" on your license)

You think I don't understanding you then you are selfish. We passed written test AND road test in MSF class today. In fact, everyone in MSF class don't have permit at all.

You got wrong person.

[The Highlander]

Originally Posted by Reba

Just for clarification:

Prior to taking the MSF were you allowed to ride your motorcycle on public streets?

No, We are not allowed to ride MSF's motorcycle on public streets. Only at build's park till we passed road test and written test. Now, we can take our future motorcycles to public street.

[Reba]

Originally Posted by The Highlander

No, We are not allowed to ride MSF's motorcycle on public streets. Only at build's park till we passed road test and written test. Now, we can take our future motorcycles to public street.

No one rode their own personal bikes to the class? Everyone borrowed the MSF bikes?

[The Highlander]

Originally Posted by Reba

No one rode their own personal bikes to the class? Everyone borrowed the MSF bikes?

Yep! Some of them do own personal bikes but they borrowed the MSF bikes.

Your state's MSF don't have bikes at all?

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by The Highlander

You think I don't understanding you then you are selfish. We passed written test AND road test in MSF class today. In fact, everyone in MSF class don't have permit at all.

You got wrong person.

ah-ha. Now I understand. I suppose this is how it's done in Iowa. Just like Endemic

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by The Highlander

Yep! Some of them do own personal bikes but they borrowed the MSF bikes.

Your state's MSF don't have bikes at all?

if MSF do not have bikes especially for BRC - they would not be in business.

[ncff07]

Originally Posted by Jiro

if MSF do not have bikes especially for BRC - they would not be in business.

The college supplies the bikes for the basic class. Where I took it at anyways. If you take the experienced rider class or dual riding or sportbike class you must use your own bike.

[Reba]

Originally Posted by The Highlander

Yep! Some of them do own personal bikes but they borrowed the MSF bikes.

Your state's MSF don't have bikes at all?

My state does have MSF loaner bikes but most riders prefer to use their own bikes.

[The Highlander]

Originally Posted by Jiro

ah-ha. Now I understand. I suppose this is how it's done in Iowa. Just like Endemic

Iowa cost around $200 and IL cost only $20. We taked MSF at IL, also we live in IL. Well, Iowa is only 10min away from us.

[The Highlander]

Everyone passed the class but Navy retired 80 years old man don't make it due too many break rules. He forget to bring a jacket and gloves, he leave it at home so We had to waiting for him when he drove to home to grab a his gear. Next day, he wear a church dress but he don't bring a boots. So he rode MSF's motorcycle without boots for around an hour till someone busted him and he is not here anymore.


He said he is the one of 10 people in the world for "master seal" (not sure if right word) and He went to BP oil spill to help.

[The Highlander]

Originally Posted by Reba

My state does have MSF loaner bikes but most riders prefer to use their own bikes.

I think it's bad idea. What if they did mistake and fall motorcycles on the floor and ruin it.

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by The Highlander

I think it's bad idea. What if they did mistake and fall motorcycles on the floor and ruin it.

exactly

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by The Highlander

Iowa cost around $200 and IL cost only $20. We taked MSF at IL, also we live in IL. Well, Iowa is only 10min away from us.

$180 difference?

why so cheap in IL?

[The Highlander]

Originally Posted by Jiro

what kind of motorcycles are they in your picture?

Few Honda Rebel 250cc *I rode it*
Few Honda nighthawk 250cc *my wife rode it*
Few Yamaha dirt bike 200cc
Single Suzuki TU 250cc

That's all I know.

[The Highlander]

Originally Posted by Jiro

$180 difference?

why so cheap in IL?

I just found it out in class today. Once we passed class then we can get our $20 *each of us* back but we donation $40 to MSF for t-shirt. So $20 for one MSF t-shirt or free.

No idea why so cheap in IL.

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by The Highlander

I just found it out in class today. Once we passed class then we can get our $20 *each of us* back but we donation $20 to MSF for t-shirt. So $20 for MSF t-shirt or free.

No idea why so cheap in IL.

OH! I know. I just remembered. That MSF in IL must be state-run (or funded by donation). Some states do offer free MSF courses. But we no longer have free MSF courses offered by NJ as of this year due to massive budget cut. I took mine at private college $250 but it was because free MSF courses were booked for months and I didn't want to wait that long.

[ncff07]

I paid $160 for the class.

[The Highlander]

Originally Posted by Jiro

OH! I know. I just remembered. That MSF in IL must be state-run (or funded by donation). Some states do offer free MSF courses. But we no longer have free MSF courses offered by NJ as of this year due to massive budget cut. I took mine at private college $250 but it was because free MSF courses were booked for months and I didn't want to wait that long.

Make sense to me. MSF is in Iowa's college which it cost around $200 and ready in anytime. No, we don't want to waste $400 for us.

We waited for almost 1 year for MSF. We signed up and waited for almost three months for first class but they failed to check their email that we want an interpreter then they gave us another four months with interpreter. We can't find any info for phone number but email only on MSF's website for our area.