Harley without turn signaller

purplecatty · 05-07-2008, 01:01 AM

Hey Harley owner/riders,

My friend is planning to take his 74 Harley Sportster for DOT inspection to get license plate. The question is that his Harley do not have turn signaller on it. It was somewhat stripped down to minimal. He didn't have horn either. I told him pull horn off from his old junked Kawaski and install it to Harley and I'll do wiring job. His Handlebar handles have buttons still there but no wires inside of it, Horn button is readily available and just add wire (negative wire to the horn button). Former owner stripped all wires from it. It can be repaired tho.

He was concerned about turn signaller and not sure if it'lll pass inspection.
I told him to see what they have their says. What ya think, If anyone live in Missouri or Kansas, let us know!!

PLUS what's worst, His rear brake/parking light is a LED type which is not DOT approved (he was looking through Harley part order magazine and discovered the fact recently that he have similiar one). It's single 2 inches round coned red len w/ LED behind it w/ chrome shell. Luckily he have original brake/parking light shell in the box that former owner gave it to him. I told him that I'll swap it temporarily till it pass the inspection then swap back. IMHO, LED brake/parking light is bright enuf during the day. I can see it from distance when I test it under bright sun.

I replaced fuel filter with new "inline" one ($2.64 small Fram filter from automotive section at Walmart. LOL) and paint it gloss black to make it look nicer. Because the old filter (inverted "L" filter used for automotive) w/ hose from tank to carb was interfering choke switch (prevented it to switch to full choke). The former owner did the fuel line from tank down past the carb right side (choke switch side) then under the carb and attach to "inverted "L" filter, from filter to carb.. I replaced with inline and re-did the fuel line so it'll go over carb and keep choke switch free of interference. I added short rubber "stand" for new filter to sit on top of rubber and rubber sit on carb to prevent rubbing or heat (my friend was concerned about heat on filter so he wanted it space it away).

I will post pix of his harley soon.

Catty

purplecatty · 05-07-2008, 05:52 AM

Here's the pix of my friend's Harley

purplecatty · 05-18-2008, 12:24 AM

Anyone??

diehardbiker · 05-18-2008, 12:34 AM

Depending on which state, if there is inspections required then I'd bet that the turn signal is required. I have never seen those inspection station would let something like that pass up unless you got friend who is inspector and let you pass though.

Used to be in NYS where if you got connections, you can get inspection sticker without paying visit to shop. Not anymore, NYS DMV busted, and decided to require computer connected from Vehicle to DMV database, that way no one can bypass this.

diehardbiker · 05-18-2008, 12:39 AM

Hey, just done research, apparently Kansas has inspection station owned and operated by state of Kansas, meaning they might be super strict, so I'd play safe add turn signalers anyway. Horn is mandatory no questions about it.

***VamPyroX*** · 05-18-2008, 01:52 AM

Nice...

I've never heard of flashing signals being required on motorcycles. Don't they allow bikers to use arm signals instead?

diehardbiker · 05-18-2008, 03:06 AM

I do, I was asked to turn on the turn signals when doing inspection, brake, horn, check tires.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Nice...

I've never heard of flashing signals being required on motorcycles. Don't they allow bikers to use arm signals instead?

SCBassist · 05-18-2008, 03:15 AM

Dont forget rear license plate, I was cited a few years ago for not installing one! LOL

purplecatty · 05-18-2008, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Hey, just done research, apparently Kansas has inspection station owned and operated by state of Kansas, meaning they might be super strict, so I'd play safe add turn signalers anyway. Horn is mandatory no questions about it.

Kansas do not require inspection on all vehicles every year. It's just for new or out of state vehicles or motorcycle bought from store or former owner. After that, you don't have to worry about the inspection yearly. In Missouri, they are REQUIRED by law. I've had friend who had cracked windshield on car and he was told to get the glass replaced or else they would not pass inspection. Here in KS, I've seen some cars with cracked or smashed windshield still driving. Cops will give them ticket if pulled over for any violation.

I had a talk with my friend about motorcycle inspection. I told him why not just go ahead and add horn and swap brake light. Ignore the signaler for now unless DMV have their say. If it is required then yank off the signaller from his junked Kawaski and install it on Harley for short time. After passing inspection and get lic plate, rip it out. He would keep horn as required cuz of stupid soccer moms. LOL

SCBassist

Dont forget rear license plate, I was cited a few years ago for not installing one! LOL

My friend plan to have a Lic plate frame on side of harley, just place it vertically. He's looking for one or have someone make one for him.

Catty

diehardbiker · 05-18-2008, 05:23 AM

Cool, I really don't have full information about inspection in Kansas, if it is one time, its much like in virginia. Oh well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by purplecatty

Kansas do not require inspection on all vehicles every year. It's just for new or out of state vehicles or motorcycle bought from store or former owner. After that, you don't have to worry about the inspection yearly. In Missouri, they are REQUIRED by law. I've had friend who had cracked windshield on car and he was told to get the glass replaced or else they would not pass inspection. Here in KS, I've seen some cars with cracked or smashed windshield still driving. Cops will give them ticket if pulled over for any violation.

I had a talk with my friend about motorcycle inspection. I told him why not just go ahead and add horn and swap brake light. Ignore the signaler for now unless DMV have their say. If it is required then yank off the signaller from his junked Kawaski and install it on Harley for short time. After passing inspection and get lic plate, rip it out. He would keep horn as required cuz of stupid soccer moms. LOL

SCBassist

Dont forget rear license plate, I was cited a few years ago for not installing one! LOL

My friend plan to have a Lic plate frame on side of harley, just place it vertically. He's looking for one or have someone make one for him.

Catty

***VamPyroX*** · 05-27-2008, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

I do, I was asked to turn on the turn signals when doing inspection, brake, horn, check tires.

If that's the case, then why do they require us to learn the arm signals?

Forcing bikers to have blinkers kinda defeats the purpose of memorizing arm signals.

diehardbiker · 05-27-2008, 09:24 AM

Ask State Legislations, they are the one who invent this rule.

This week I must take my bike to Inspection station even though nothing is wrong with my bike.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VamPyroX

If that's the case, then why do they require us to learn the arm signals?

Forcing bikers to have blinkers kinda defeats the purpose of memorizing arm signals.

***VamPyroX*** · 05-27-2008, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Ask State Legislations, they are the one who invent this rule.

This week I must take my bike to Inspection station even though nothing is wrong with my bike.

Must be another one of those "dumb laws".

crankshaft · 05-31-2008, 05:59 PM

check out this site.

Missouri state motorcycle laws

it appears that ur buddy is all good to go... there's no state law for turn signal/Horn at Missouri.

dont worry about non dot approved on Led.. theres a bunch of'em on the bikes now days.. I would'nt worry too much about it. just make sure the led light is visible on the rear. just get it inspected and enjoy the ride...

by the way the pics on the bike is sweeet!... loved the color on that bike...very creative..

Cheers...

Reba · 06-01-2008, 03:37 PM

Inspection rules are different for each state.

South Carolina has no inspection of motorcycles or cars. We used to but several years ago they quit requiring inspections.

06-01-2008, 08:55 PM

You can make/buy LED turn signals from ebay / radio shack

you will need a flasher relay from NAPA

LED's don't pull much amperage so it won't drain battery - you will also have to buy "ears" to mount the turn signal stalks to the frame - and you will have to install some sort of a thumb switch for the signals too

good luck

JClarke · 06-01-2008, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by purplecatty

Kansas do not require inspection on all vehicles every year. It's just for new or out of state vehicles or motorcycle bought from store or former owner. After that, you don't have to worry about the inspection yearly. In Missouri, they are REQUIRED by law. I've had friend who had cracked windshield on car and he was told to get the glass replaced or else they would not pass inspection. Here in KS, I've seen some cars with cracked or smashed windshield still driving. Cops will give them ticket if pulled over for any violation.

I had a talk with my friend about motorcycle inspection. I told him why not just go ahead and add horn and swap brake light. Ignore the signaler for now unless DMV have their say. If it is required then yank off the signaller from his junked Kawaski and install it on Harley for short time. After passing inspection and get lic plate, rip it out. He would keep horn as required cuz of stupid soccer moms. LOL

SCBassist

Dont forget rear license plate, I was cited a few years ago for not installing one! LOL

My friend plan to have a Lic plate frame on side of harley, just place it vertically. He's looking for one or have someone make one for him.

Catty

Speaking of inspections - I had to take my car to get a car inspection because it was a new car I bought off my mom, the inspection failed since the tyres was low than the expected mark so I had to pay $440 for all tyres to be replaced, it was so expensive since my car is small, i thought to myself it would be cheap, but heck no, since it has 16" alloy wheels. Oh boy!

06-01-2008, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jclarke

Speaking of inspections - I had to take my car to get a car inspection because it was a new car I bought off my mom, the inspection failed since the tyres was low than the expected mark so I had to pay $440 for all tyres to be replaced, it was so expensive since my car is small, i thought to myself it would be cheap, but heck no, since it has 16" alloy wheels. Oh boy!

Next time ummmm ..... buy retreads or used just to pass the inspection.

$440 is about right for new tires. Hope you got the 80k mile warranty. at 75 k slash the tires and go get new ones under warranty

j/k

JClarke · 06-01-2008, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schweisshund

Next time ummmm ..... buy retreads or used just to pass the inspection.

$440 is about right for new tires. Hope you got the 80k mile warranty. at 75 k slash the tires and go get new ones under warranty

j/k

I needed new tires anyway!

purplecatty · 06-04-2008, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jclarke

I needed new tires anyway!

My friend just bought a new rear tire. He brought over new tire in rim. He left it in my garage and haven't returned to get it installed. His concerned was the size 140 tire was a bit wide that cause chain to rub on side of tire. I told him just add a spacer between rim and sprocket to space out the chain from tire just 1/8th to 1/4th inches. I told him it won't hurt to do that. Originally his tire was size 130 but he decide to have a bit wider tire anyway. I also explained him that he can adjust the chain tensioner (at the end of swingarm where main wheel bolts w/ chain tensioner are) to tweak just a little off to give spacing between tire and chain which are tiny difference. Won't notice anything while riding. He ok'd with either or both choices. He had been "silent" for quite a while and haven't seen him on AIM. I would plan on to just buy spacers and install it for him and he'll pay me back anyway.

Hopefully he get his harley ready for inspection lol

Catty

05-07-2008, 01:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
purplecatty Tie Dye and Grateful Dead Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Land of AAh!! Posts: 1,096	Harley without turn signaller Hey Harley owner/riders, My friend is planning to take his 74 Harley Sportster for DOT inspection to get license plate. The question is that his Harley do not have turn signaller on it. It was somewhat stripped down to minimal. He didn't have horn either. I told him pull horn off from his old junked Kawaski and install it to Harley and I'll do wiring job. His Handlebar handles have buttons still there but no wires inside of it, Horn button is readily available and just add wire (negative wire to the horn button). Former owner stripped all wires from it. It can be repaired tho. He was concerned about turn signaller and not sure if it'lll pass inspection. I told him to see what they have their says. What ya think, If anyone live in Missouri or Kansas, let us know!! PLUS what's worst, His rear brake/parking light is a LED type which is not DOT approved (he was looking through Harley part order magazine and discovered the fact recently that he have similiar one). It's single 2 inches round coned red len w/ LED behind it w/ chrome shell. Luckily he have original brake/parking light shell in the box that former owner gave it to him. I told him that I'll swap it temporarily till it pass the inspection then swap back. IMHO, LED brake/parking light is bright enuf during the day. I can see it from distance when I test it under bright sun. I replaced fuel filter with new "inline" one ($2.64 small Fram filter from automotive section at Walmart. LOL) and paint it gloss black to make it look nicer. Because the old filter (inverted "L" filter used for automotive) w/ hose from tank to carb was interfering choke switch (prevented it to switch to full choke). The former owner did the fuel line from tank down past the carb right side (choke switch side) then under the carb and attach to "inverted "L" filter, from filter to carb.. I replaced with inline and re-did the fuel line so it'll go over carb and keep choke switch free of interference. I added short rubber "stand" for new filter to sit on top of rubber and rubber sit on carb to prevent rubbing or heat (my friend was concerned about heat on filter so he wanted it space it away). I will post pix of his harley soon. Catty

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05-18-2008, 03:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
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crankshaft Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 106	check out this site. Missouri state motorcycle laws it appears that ur buddy is all good to go... there's no state law for turn signal/Horn at Missouri. dont worry about non dot approved on Led.. theres a bunch of'em on the bikes now days.. I would'nt worry too much about it. just make sure the led light is visible on the rear. just get it inspected and enjoy the ride... by the way the pics on the bike is sweeet!... loved the color on that bike...very creative.. Cheers... __________________ Welcome to McDonlads May I help you?...

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05-18-2008, 12:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
purplecatty Tie Dye and Grateful Dead Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Land of AAh!! Posts: 1,096	Anyone??

05-18-2008, 12:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
diehardbiker Busy in poker room Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,883	Depending on which state, if there is inspections required then I'd bet that the turn signal is required. I have never seen those inspection station would let something like that pass up unless you got friend who is inspector and let you pass though. Used to be in NYS where if you got connections, you can get inspection sticker without paying visit to shop. Not anymore, NYS DMV busted, and decided to require computer connected from Vehicle to DMV database, that way no one can bypass this.

05-18-2008, 12:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
diehardbiker Busy in poker room Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,883	Hey, just done research, apparently Kansas has inspection station owned and operated by state of Kansas, meaning they might be super strict, so I'd play safe add turn signalers anyway. Horn is mandatory no questions about it.

06-01-2008, 03:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 15,664	Inspection rules are different for each state. South Carolina has no inspection of motorcycles or cars. We used to but several years ago they quit requiring inspections.

06-01-2008, 08:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
schweisshund Guest Posts: n/a	You can make/buy LED turn signals from ebay / radio shack you will need a flasher relay from NAPA LED's don't pull much amperage so it won't drain battery - you will also have to buy "ears" to mount the turn signal stalks to the frame - and you will have to install some sort of a thumb switch for the signals too good luck