The*Empress

So why cars need gas, if we got batteries?

Does the car have lighter which ignite the gas to make the car go?

Is there any other way to make the car go, without have to use
gas and oil or any other fuels?

How about a computer car, or a satellite car or something like that?

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The*Empress

would you like a computer car such as this?

Nancy

What a strange question. You made it sound like the cars are toys....just like toy cars with keys on them to make them run. LOL

BTW, if you light a match to the gas in the car, it could make the car blow up. Haven't you thought of that? LOL

Nancy

Very cool! Have you seen the 1980s show "Knight Rider"? That show starred a computer car. There are some cars out there with computerized dashes out now.

sequoias

um, you would need to research. You got 2 college degrees and you know how to research to answer why cars run on gas and not on batteries. There are many different answers, and there is no real fact.

kuifje75

Actually there are cars on today's market that run on batteries, or hybrid cars which run on both gas and batteries. Haven't you heard of electric cars? Of course, you have to keep the cars plugged in for power, which is why I prefer hybrid versions of cars. The batteries keep getting re-powered by itself on its own. One hybrid car can go about 700 miles on a full tank.

With such cars on the market, you would think that the government is pushing for the car industry to convert to these. Of course, the government would never dream of forcing people to switch to electric or hybrid cars, because it would mean cutting profits for gas/oil industries. The gas/oil industries have quite too powerful lobbying groups in Washington.

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Battery powered cars are worse for the environment than combustion engines.

Let's ask ourselves some questions.

Where does the electricity to charge the car come from?
- Power plants.

What do power plants use to generate their power?
- Gas, oil, coal, nuclear fuel, water, wind.

Where does most of the power in the U.S. come from?
- Gas & coal power plants.

Can batteries be recharged indefinitely?
- No.

What happens when the batteries can't be charged any more?
- They have to be disposed of, and they are highly toxic.

Where does the stuff to build batteries come from?
- Raw materials from the earth, just like everything else in the world.

After asking myself these questions, I've decided that the answer is to continue our research with hydrogen cars and to develop cleaner and more efficient gasoline engines.

JeepGirl

They're starting to make Hybrid cars that is based on batteries.. I think.. I'm not familiar with Hybrid cars but just from what I've heard thru friends.

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$2.63
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Don't complain that you have the car compared with the African people have no cars at all. Also in European gas is charged something like 2,67 Euro for a Liter and that is almost $6.50 per gallon and please don't complain again.

You gotta blame the Texas people that discovered about the Oils in Texas and that is 99.9% reason we went for the gasoline for the auto market. If not for the oils in Texas and we would go for Hydros, Steam, and Bio-powered cars.

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It's not just the fact that there was oil in Texas & Oklahoma. There's a reason we continue to buy crude oil from OPEC countries for refinement.

And that is:
Gasoline does not take up a lot of space, but releases enormous amounts of energy upon combustion.

diehardbiker

This is real fact! You got everything RIGHT and hard! Actually Electric car were invented befoe gasoline cars were even invented! The real reason why electric cars died before gas got popularity is that with electric, you need to recharge minimum 16 hours just to drive about for up to 2 hours! That is no way to have long distance traveling. I know today's battery can take recharged in shorter time and last longer between the charging. BUT still, at least three dangers creep out of electric cars is that when get into accident, acid spills will be all over, will do damage to road, human, and any living things because they do corrode into skins and other things, second danger is electric shock, suppose you had accident and that high voltage cable got shorted on frame and your gonna get good shock. Finally third danger is battery don't last longer than 5 years, thus will have impact on landfill or disposal.
There is NO easy solution, those environmist pounders for more environment friendly designs. They have no clue to engineering limitations! There are finite limitation what we can take out from any form of energy. It is impossible to take more energy out of something that have x amount of energy. Now you noticed that we havent improved the mileage on cars. That is because we actually at the energy limit that gasoline can provide.

I hope Hydrogen would be good solution. There is research center for this kind of engine just about 40 miles from where I live! If it was successfully, then Im gonna stay where I am.

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diehardbiker

Almost correct. There are factors to why we get oil from OPEC, don't you know we buy from them, then refine them and sell some refined oil products back to them? They don't have their own refinery!

The reason for various locations is that there are different kinds of oil coming out of the well, some suitable for gasoline, while others aren't suitable for gasoline but can be used as asphalt road, plastic products, etc.

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diehardbiker

Okay, here is concept that you MIGHT be able to understand. The engine in car runs much like how you powered your bicycle! You see, there are cylinders in the motor, we need to mix gas and oxygen first in carburator, then dump that mixed fuel into cylinder, and compress them to the point where it becomes very explosive then spark plugs fire sparks. Guess what happen? KABOOOM! those explosion push the piston downward then the next cylinder same cycle the kaboom push down the piston, and so on. Just the same way you would push the pedal on bicycle to get your bike moving. Now you notice why we need muffler, that is to shut up that kabooms in cylinders!

That is very basic concept how the engine works. There is more than that to get your car running.

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diehardbiker

No! Oil is NOT discovered in Texas! Shame on you for spreading wrong information on oil history! No!!! It is Titusville, PA! It has nick name of Oil City, PA! Titusville, PA is located near Erie, PA. You can read history on Titusville, PA the Drake brothers who first found "black gold" in creek, and decided to drill well, and that drill isn't really deep, and they hit "black gold".

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VamPyroX

And... Bush is from Texas. So, he's probably making a profit by raising the nation's own gas prices. Heh!

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Everything can be made dangerous. That's what gives us power. Where the hell can we get harmless energy? All forms of energy is dangerous. It's just a matter of how it's done. Gas? Simply light it up and it blows up. Nuclear? If it gets too hot, KABOOM... a nuclear explosion. Electric? A explosion could be small, but wipe out all electrical currents in the area rendering them useless. Hydrogen? It's cheap and air, but can have the same effect as an atomic bomb or worse.

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diehardbiker

Nuclear don't go kaboom. They just swell with intense heat.
I mean very rapidly swelling.
Electric can zap anyone's life in matter of just less than half of second!

I don't know about hydrogen fuel cell but as form of gas, it is HIGHLY flammable. Don't you remember the Heinsburg (Spelling) blimpe filled with Hydrogen caught fire and its gone in no time right before landing in NJ from Germany.

There are plenty of harmless energy. Human that runs energy from food. Is food harmful? Water fall, we can get energy from water fall, where is the harm in water fall?

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The problem with hydrogen is that there isn't enough of it found naturally in nature to meet our consumption levels, therefore it must be extracted from water by splitting atoms to isolate hydrogen atoms.

To do this requires enormous amounts of energy to split the atoms and then keep the hydrogen cold enough to keep it in a liquid state.

Those are some serious limitation to the development of hydrogen-powered cars.

Not exactly true.

Only 2 isotopes of hydrogen will can produce nuclear fusion, the type of reaction we see with thermonuclear weapons.. Deuterium (1 extra neutron) & Tritium (2 extra neutrons).

Protium (normal) hydrogen, as we saw the Hindenburg & the Challenger disaster, will simply burn rapidly or explode. It just depends how densely it is packed.

Crazymanw00t

The History Channel told me. Can you blame to the History Channel for its mistake?

GalaxyAngel

Crazym00t.. made me lauff'n every minutes.. you must be watching t.v. history channel too much!...

In my mind, wishes that production would be great making "oc2 or water" as condiser for fuel instead of gas.. Expense lot of money..

Battery needs re-charging...up to 8 hours.. then travelling 700 miles.. then staying motel to plug it fill up another one.. Too much hassle TOTALLY wasting time..

Want stay contuine driving travelling more than 1k miles instead of 700 miles.. (hmmmmmm) For example... East Coast to West Coast as dead end.. will meet your hybird car may fill up the battery as re-charging.. 700 miles.. might be about 1 week to meet dead ends. (hmmmmmmmm)
Dissuss ?

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but the federal government offer people tax credits if they bought a hybrid car.

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diehardbiker

wrong! no its tax credit, not bracket. Hybrid cars tax credit is smaller than other type of fuels

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Crazymanw00t

Have you ever heard about the Bio-powered car. I really like that kind thing. It is like anything that is liquid that you can explosion and pour in the gas tank and it will run. For example you can use the french fries' greese into the engine and it will run excatly same as gas' performance. Interesting!? I heard about that on the History Channel and it was amazing to learn about it.

Yeah Bullymom. History Channel is like my other classroom where I learn and enjoy at same time. I never got bored with the History Channel. I believe the History Channel is my most favorite channel and mostly of my time watching TV is the History Channel. Secondly is the SPEED Channel if it runs without the NASCAR on it. I really dislike NASCAR racing. Anyway now you know where I am coming from.

DeafSCUBA98

yeah i heard about this... using old cooking oil from a restruant.. and most people get those for free because restruant owners don't want to pay a disposal fee for throwing used cooking oils.

i think that's nice tool.. however u have to buy special stuff for ur car/truck.. (i heard its only good for diseal engines)


have any of you heard of E-85 fuel.. its based on corn?

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Crazymanw00t

Yes that what I was talking about.

Sorry I don't know about E-85. I just learned it from the History Channel and I didn't go deep researching on that area because I have too many things to learn.

diehardbiker

Bio-diesel do exist around. It started in lake George, NY where guy decided to use the used french fries oil from McDonalds in his VW rabbit diesel. He had modified the gas line to filter and trap extra moisture. There are other factors that actually shorten the life of engine. He said that moisture is number one problem. He even said that his exhaust system smelled just like french fries!

Anyone can throw in clean and used veg oil in diesel as emergency (Run out of diesel). But they do need to filter them out first. Also, can use kerosene or heating oil. I have done with heating oil because it is cheaper and it don't contain highway taxes. There is no physical difference between heating oil/kerosene and Diesel. Kerosene has scent added. Diesel has highway taxes in it.

NEVER attempt these with gasoline. It has alot to do with carburator and compression requirement. Diesel can and will ruin gasoline engine.

Cost justified? He said so so. But friendly with environment yes. I also found out that now there is company that do recycle used veg oil and reuse it as veg oil again! All they did was to filter out and clean out the foreign matters. Then sell back to those who need deep fry oil.

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diehardbiker

Yea, FYI Hybrid is not any better than gasoline engine if going on highway! Hybrid is excellent for around city driving because of stop and go which waste alot of gas. On Hybrid when braking, this braking process actually generate electricity to get that energy back in battery and reuse it when accelerate. Then at red light gas engine keeps running to recharge the battery automatically. When the battery is full, gas engine shuts off. That is the idea of Hybrid. But for highway driving, gasoline engine tend to lower its horses, thus require less gas to drink. That is why you often notice better mileage on highway than in city.

My concern about this hybrid is battery, they can be VERY expensive to replace and they don't live more than 5 years, very rare longer than that. And the cost of repair, justificable with gas savings?

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diehardbiker

I think the best fuel to run is Natural gas! Why?

#1, they are the cleanest fossil fuel
#2 they are domestic, most natural gas is found in North America
#3 because of the cleanest fuel, they don't get engine dirty like gas.
#4 Because of #3, it ended up requires much less maintenace, and motor last much longer
#5 Natural gas don't pollute with poisonous gases in the air like other energy.

1st biggest problem is, when it comes to accident. It would have impact on size of Ka-boom!

2nd biggest problem is availablity at gas statiuon. Not many offers LNG

So, if given chance I would buy NG SUV? The answer is YES I will grab it cuz there is LNG refueling station not far from where I live and work!

*NG means Natural Gas, and LNG means Liquidifed Natural Gas. Both just same thing, but LNG is compressed into liquid, and will expand back to gas.

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bluegecko474

One of my friend own Toyota Prius. He said he love it and save lots of gas in city but not the highway. One problem is the car need more horsepower and sometime he had proplem to go uphill and wish there is more room.

Hybrid Compact SUV already made by Ford Escape.

I know GM planning to have Hybrid Chevy Silverton and GMC Sierra. Also I think GM will have Hybrid midsize and Large SUV like Trailblazer, Tahoe, and etc. I hope it will save little bit more gas than regular V8 gas mileage. I think they said it will save 1% per mileage. I might be wrong.

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Natural gas burns far too hot to be used in a car without modifying engines to have a better cooling system, which puts extra weight on the car.

Personally I believe the future is in engine research.

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