Should I fight for an interpreter? - Page 6

**Reba** · 06-03-2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I am not sure you do..... A person paying for their own terp in no way sets a LEGAL Precedent. The law would still be in place for others.

True but it could establish a school policy precedent. I've seen it happen in medical settings. "Oh, so-and-so's mother always interpreted for Patient A, so maybe Patient B's husband could do the same thing."

Schools will pick up on any way around the law that they can. I've seen what happens from the terp end of the situation. They will stall, hem-and-haw, dance around, intimidate, "forget," cry poverty, whatever, to get out of paying for a terp, or paying full price for a qualified terp. I've even had them "forget" to pay me for months.

Not all schools are like that but there are enough of them to be a problem.

posts from hell · 06-03-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

indeed. I can only hope that next time csign has a question or problem like this, it will be done in a constructive and open-minded manner.

Unlike every time previous to this.

**shel90** · 06-03-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

indeed. I can only hope that next time csign has a question or problem like this, it will be done in a constructive and open-minded manner.

Yea

**TXgolfer** · 06-03-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I hope she will appreciates it and remebers that in the future.

TXGolfer...you suggested her to pay for a terp as a backup plan. That's a BIG no-no knowing how educational politics works. That was very dangerous advice you gave.

For whom?

kokonut · 06-03-2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

True but it could establish a school policy precedent. I've seen it happen in medical settings. "Oh, so-and-so's mother always interpreted for Patient A, so maybe Patient B's husband could do the same thing."

Schools will pick up on any way around the law that they can. I've seen what happens from the terp end of the situation. They will stall, hem-and-haw, dance around, intimidate, "forget," cry poverty, whatever, to get out of paying for a terp, or paying full price for a qualified terp. I've even had them "forget" to pay me for months.

Not all schools are like that but there are enough of them to be a problem.

Yes, but what about California? With them going toward bankruptcy, how would that be resolved if they heavily cash strapped?

kokonut · 06-03-2011, 11:24 PM

More tut tuts?

Yeesh.

posts from hell · 06-03-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Yes, but what about California? With them going toward bankruptcy, how would that be resolved if they heavily cash strapped?

So you're perfectly fine with YOUR OWN legal rights being denied due to no dinero?

No buneo.

kokonut · 06-03-2011, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

So you're perfectly fine with YOUR OWN legal rights being denied due to no dinero?

No buneo.

That doesn't answer the question. Who knows? California could become a third world country.

**Jiro** · 06-03-2011, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

That doesn't answer the question. Who knows? California could become a third world country.

better blame that Republican.

**Jiro** · 06-03-2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Yes, but what about California? With them going toward bankruptcy, how would that be resolved if they heavily cash strapped?

again - it's illegal to deny one due to budget issue.

posts from hell · 06-03-2011, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

again - it's illegal to deny one due to budget issue.

Amazing. People accept being bent over. It happens everywhere, sad.

kokonut · 06-03-2011, 11:33 PM

It's also called acknowledging financial reality and when it really hits the wall it may just come down to that.

But I think technology in due time, certainly in our lifetime, will come up with a virtual ASL interpreter and voice recognition device you can carry in your pocket for any languages.

posts from hell · 06-03-2011, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

It's also called acknowledging financial reality and when it really hits the wall it may just come down to that.

But I think technology in due time, certainly in our lifetime, will come up with a virtual ASL interpreter and voice recognition device you can carry in your pocket for any languages.

Already has, and it has proven itself ineffective.

kokonut · 06-03-2011, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Already has, and it has proven itself ineffective.

What?

**Jiro** · 06-03-2011, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

It's also called acknowledging financial reality and when it really hits the wall it may just come down to that.

But I think technology in due time, certainly in our lifetime, will come up with a virtual ASL interpreter and voice recognition device you can carry in your pocket for any languages.

and we can afford that? or is it even technologically feasible anytime soon? Probably not for another 100 years.

again - it's illegal to deny one due to budget issue.

posts from hell · 06-03-2011, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

What?

VRI compared to an interpreter in person.

**Reba** · 06-03-2011, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Yes, but what about California? With them going toward bankruptcy, how would that be resolved if they heavily cash strapped?

Not all pots are empty. I don't know how California's finances are set up but I can give you an example from my state.

We are also experiencing budget problems in our public schools. The pot of money that pays teacher salaries is running empty. Cuts will be made.

BUT the same schools are buying new iPads for all the students. How can they do this? It comes out of another pot of money.

There is one pot (account) for salaries, and another one for capital improvements. They are not interchangeable. Even if there is plenty of money in the iPad (special programs) pot, it can't be dipped into for paying teacher salaries.

I'm not saying that's a good system. I'm just explaining how some of these things happen.

Sometimes schools pay sub or extra terps out of a miscellaneous fund instead of the salaries fund. The money for a terp for a deaf high school football player's games and practices might come from the sports fund instead of the faculty fund. There are many creative financing options.

posts from hell · 06-03-2011, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

and we can afford that? or is it even technologically feasible anytime soon? Probably not for another 100 years.

again - it's illegal to deny one due to budget issue.

the last sentence is true.

**Beowulf** · 06-03-2011, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

It's also called acknowledging financial reality and when it really hits the wall it may just come down to that.

But I think technology in due time, certainly in our lifetime, will come up with a virtual ASL interpreter and voice recognition device you can carry in your pocket for any languages.

Good Lord, you really are an audist.

Tousi · 06-03-2011, 11:38 PM

My Kaiser Permanente is currently trying out the VRI thing......

posts from hell · 06-03-2011, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

My Kaiser Permanente is currently trying out the VRI thing......

How has it been?

**Reba** · 06-03-2011, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

VRI compared to an interpreter in person.

VRI is useful for some situations but not in most school settings.

kokonut · 06-03-2011, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

VRI compared to an interpreter in person.

I was talking about computer rendered virtual ASL interpreter....not a real one. Didn't you see how I included voice recognition?

posts from hell · 06-03-2011, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I was talking about computer rendered virtual ASL interpreter....not a real one. Didn't you see how I included voice recognition?

Still not quite effective. Even if it was 100 years from now.

**Beowulf** · 06-03-2011, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I was talking about computer rendered virtual ASL interpreter....not a real one. Didn't you see how I included voice recognition?

Can't miss it.

**Jiro** · 06-03-2011, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I was talking about computer rendered virtual ASL interpreter....not a real one. Didn't you see how I included voice recognition?

don't you think the fund is better spent on something easily feasible? like... training terps and offering better pay?

Tousi · 06-03-2011, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

How has it been?

Apparently it just got underway and only a few select depts of Kaiser are using it. I haven't seen nor heard anything yet......

kokonut · 06-03-2011, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

VRI is useful for some situations but not in most school settings.

I agree. It'd be better for a business or work related setting.

**TXgolfer** · 06-03-2011, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

True but it could establish a school policy precedent. I've seen it happen in medical settings. "Oh, so-and-so's mother always interpreted for Patient A, so maybe Patient B's husband could do the same thing."

Schools will pick up on any way around the law that they can. I've seen what happens from the terp end of the situation. They will stall, hem-and-haw, dance around, intimidate, "forget," cry poverty, whatever, to get out of paying for a terp, or paying full price for a qualified terp. I've even had them "forget" to pay me for months.

Not all schools are like that but there are enough of them to be a problem.

now that I agree with 100%.....and I have seen it myself with other situations.

But here we are giving advice to an individual. A parent. Now is the role of the parent to provide the best for their child or provide as much as they can for their child while preserving the system for others?

Now that is a valid debate.... My answer, As a parent I am going to do everything I can within the law to make sure my child has everything they need. Selfish? Perhaps.... But that is my right as a parent. Now does that mean I am going to let the state,fed or local governments off the hook. I think everyone here knows me better than that.

**Beowulf** · 06-03-2011, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Still not quite effective. Even if it was 100 years from now.

Yep. Because by then the world will be ruled by deafies.

06-03-2011, 11:24 PM	#156 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	More tut tuts? Yeesh. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	It's also called acknowledging financial reality and when it really hits the wall it may just come down to that. But I think technology in due time, certainly in our lifetime, will come up with a virtual ASL interpreter and voice recognition device you can carry in your pocket for any languages. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,733	My Kaiser Permanente is currently trying out the VRI thing......