Here it is - Being on SSI can be better than "Normal Life" - Page 2

Mr. Averythest · 11-05-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I didn't say that you would need to be proud of what you did. I asked if you were proud of what you did. You brag about how you had fun on the taxpayers' dime, so I'm wondering if you were proud of your behavior.

So, no guilt?

So that's your justification?

So you are amoral?

What do you mean by "better?" Morally, ethically, economically, or what?

So, no remorse?

Not really. Your mindset is all too common these days.

No guilt at all. No remorse, nothing. Nada. It's not like I went out and stole something.

What I mean by better? I currently put more money into the system than I could have ever if I had an actual 8-5 job. I honestly can say I put more into the system than I would be earning annually if I do 8-5pm. So, in a sense, I am actually helping others much more than I could have in the past.
So in a moral way - its better, in an ethical way - dunno about that, $$ hell yea.

Everyone has a skeleton in the closet - I'm not going to go around and ask them if they were proud of their actions.

My actions were legal, and it does not need any justifications. Anyone can do what I did.

shel90 · 11-06-2009, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

They aren't the ones creating this thread or making posts here. I can't very well question them here if they aren't posting here.

Yes, that's a lousy situation.

No, people don't "forget" about being moral. They make a choice.

I'm very sorry about her situation but that doesn't justify pfh's actions. He's responsible for his own choices.

Maybe if people like pfh didn't take advantage of the "system" so much there would be more money available for those who really need it.

Do you really believe that the actions of people like pfh make things better for those who want jobs but can't get them?

No, it doesnt but I understand why they do it. The hearing world really does limit many of us, making us get frustrated and feel like just saying "Screw it..I will take advantage of you!" That's my feeling if I get pushed out from Deaf Education due to oralism. I would be tempted to say the same thing. It just seems like no matter what we do right, we dont get what we deserve...equal rights and opportunities.

Mr. Averythest · 11-06-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

No, it doesnt but I understand why they do it. The hearing world really does limit many of us, making us get frustrated and feel like just saying "Screw it..I will take advantage of you!" That's my feeling if I get pushed out from Deaf Education due to oralism. I would be tempted to say the same thing. It just seems like no matter what we do right, we dont get what we deserve...equal rights and opportunities.

Funny.. I have actually gotten PM's that basically say "I'm glad you gave it to the government."

sequoias · 11-06-2009, 01:45 PM

SSI isn't going to make things better because you won't have enough to buy a car, buy nice stuff for the house, etc. Staying on SSI is bad for the economy and a waste of taxpayer's money.

webexplorer · 11-06-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

SSI isn't going to make things better because you won't have enough to buy a car, buy nice stuff for the house, etc. Staying on SSI is bad for the economy and a waste of taxpayer's money.

Actually, some states do not allow people to buy a car over $5,000. It is really crazy.

I do not think that it wastes our taxpayers. In fact, many big corporations paid huge fines a lot more like five billions dollars penalty annually. That money should have given out to SSI department in order to divide the money to the SSI people and unemployed people INSTEAD OF giving the money to the congress people (and even to the insurance company owners).

The hardest part of the SSI is that people are not "handicapped." That's a big hole in the system. It's very easy for someone to scapegoat on people instead of the government, or it is a blame game. For example, "Don't blame me! I'm just the President."

Grummer · 11-08-2009, 05:03 PM

All this below;
Originally Posted by shel90 View Post
Reba, how about those employers feeling some remorse for finding excuses not to hire qualified deaf people due to discrimination?
They aren't the ones creating this thread or making posts here. I can't very well question them here if they aren't posting here.

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I know so many deaf people who did everything right by going to college and getting the skills and knowledge to land good jobs only to be turned away by the "phone" excuse.
Yes, that's a lousy situation.

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Sometimes, people will forget about being "moral" when it didnt do them anything good in the first place.
No, people don't "forget" about being moral. They make a choice.

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I know of a teacher who is deaf who wont get hired to work in the public schools so she is working as an aide in one earning barely over $10 an hour and hoping that she will prove it to the administrators that she is more than qualified to be a teacher but it had been 5 years. She finally quit and is now on SSI due to not being able to find anything. 5 years of being passed over teaching jobs because she has no speech skills?
I'm very sorry about her situation but that doesn't justify pfh's actions. He's responsible for his own choices.

Maybe if people like pfh didn't take advantage of the "system" so much there would be more money available for those who really need it.

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I know so many others who are working at low paying jobs unrelated to their field in which they got their degrees in and still get passed over promotions at their jobs. If it was one or two people then I would think maybe it could be due to other factors but over 50 people? Something is not right.
Do you really believe that the actions of people like pfh make things better for those who want jobs but can't get them?
Reba is offline Reply With Quote

copied and pasted from fairly recent post since i didnt want to omit the 'questions/answers-quotes/replies format, as it is very useful.
I think it is high time we d/Deaf people as whole, encompassing a broad range of hearing 'disability' to b and together and advocate alot harder at ADA. to GET RID OF PHONE EXCUSES, in other words; Make it Illegal, with what we have no a surplus of educated d/Deaf people as well on top of this, we have wide ranges of accommodation which are EASILY benefitible (if thats a word) from use of excellent range of variations of technology now available cheaply. This argument would make a strong case against hard-right wingers influences on Social policy that grants organisations to use these "phone excuses", or hell even multi-tasking' requirement of the job (just minus the phone bit) it isnt that bloody hard.....

shel90 · 11-08-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Funny.. I have actually gotten PM's that basically say "I'm glad you gave it to the government."

I wouldnt encourage anyone to choose SSI over working but I can understand why some deaf people get frustrated with the job market and just giving up. We need a more proactive approach to this. I sure wouldnt feel good living off on SSI ..I like to work and making a difference. I am sure many deaf people feel the same too.

I wont judge anyone who chooses to live off on SSI but if someone asked me my opinion, I would say that both sides (deaf and hearing) need to stop this cycle.

KristinaB · 11-09-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I wouldnt encourage anyone to choose SSI over working but I can understand why some deaf people get frustrated with the job market and just giving up. We need a more proactive approach to this. I sure wouldnt feel good living off on SSI ..I like to work and making a difference. I am sure many deaf people feel the same too.

I wont judge anyone who chooses to live off on SSI but if someone asked me my opinion, I would say that both sides (deaf and hearing) need to stop this cycle.

I agree totally. I just wish I could work. Since I am unable to and I have been to vocational rehab as well as other places and was advised by doctor that it wouldn't be good for me with my various problems, therefore I draw SSDI. It doesn't replace what I last made, but it does help. I also do as much advocating that I can for people to get off the system and find work.

11-08-2009, 05:03 PM	#36 (permalink)
Grummer Burn fat off your soul Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Island in the South Posts: 3,240	All this below; Originally Posted by shel90 View Post Reba, how about those employers feeling some remorse for finding excuses not to hire qualified deaf people due to discrimination? They aren't the ones creating this thread or making posts here. I can't very well question them here if they aren't posting here. Quote: I know so many deaf people who did everything right by going to college and getting the skills and knowledge to land good jobs only to be turned away by the "phone" excuse. Yes, that's a lousy situation. Quote: Sometimes, people will forget about being "moral" when it didnt do them anything good in the first place. No, people don't "forget" about being moral. They make a choice. Quote: I know of a teacher who is deaf who wont get hired to work in the public schools so she is working as an aide in one earning barely over $10 an hour and hoping that she will prove it to the administrators that she is more than qualified to be a teacher but it had been 5 years. She finally quit and is now on SSI due to not being able to find anything. 5 years of being passed over teaching jobs because she has no speech skills? I'm very sorry about her situation but that doesn't justify pfh's actions. He's responsible for his own choices. Maybe if people like pfh didn't take advantage of the "system" so much there would be more money available for those who really need it. Quote: I know so many others who are working at low paying jobs unrelated to their field in which they got their degrees in and still get passed over promotions at their jobs. If it was one or two people then I would think maybe it could be due to other factors but over 50 people? Something is not right. Do you really believe that the actions of people like pfh make things better for those who want jobs but can't get them? Reba is offline Reply With Quote copied and pasted from fairly recent post since i didnt want to omit the 'questions/answers-quotes/replies format, as it is very useful. I think it is high time we d/Deaf people as whole, encompassing a broad range of hearing 'disability' to b and together and advocate alot harder at ADA. to GET RID OF PHONE EXCUSES, in other words; Make it Illegal, with what we have no a surplus of educated d/Deaf people as well on top of this, we have wide ranges of accommodation which are EASILY benefitible (if thats a word) from use of excellent range of variations of technology now available cheaply. This argument would make a strong case against hard-right wingers influences on Social policy that grants organisations to use these "phone excuses", or hell even multi-tasking' requirement of the job (just minus the phone bit) it isnt that bloody hard..... __________________ Some people will tell you that slow is good - and it may be, on some days - but I am here to tell you that fast is better. I've always believed this, in spite of the trouble it's caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles. Hunter S Thompson

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11-06-2009, 01:45 PM	#34 (permalink)
sequoias Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: A little trip to the extraordinary. Posts: 16,295	SSI isn't going to make things better because you won't have enough to buy a car, buy nice stuff for the house, etc. Staying on SSI is bad for the economy and a waste of taxpayer's money.