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The client was, in fact, on trial. Remember, Bush HIMSELF appoints the federal district judges...no one else is responsible for such appointments. My attorney indicated from her experience with her other clients that it has had a DEVASTATING effect on interpretation of disability statutes biased towards business, not those attempting to to use due process to enforce their rights.

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*speechless* thread...

I personally don't think Bush is a great president.

I can't beleive after read those thread here that some people are uneducate and ignorant to deny anything but blame Clinton... *sigh*

I already provided different links in other threads so I found other links to add here...

See yourself:

Saddam's large WMD stockpiles did not exist, admits American who led hunt - Times Online

War critics astonished as US hawk admits invasion was illegal | Iraq | Guardian Unlimited

Update: Iraq war 'was about oil': World: Iraqi Dossier: News24

IMPORTANT to READ THIS...
"WAITING TO BE ATTACKED"- GEORGE BUSH CONFESSES | Democrats.com

Does "Able Danger" matter?

Bush claimed that Saddam Hussein tried to kill his Dad,
That man tried to kill my dad, says Bush - Telegraph

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Here:
Who Will Be the Next Superpower?
Who Will Be the Next Superpower?

I personally beleive that China will be next Superpower.

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City Pages - No. 1?

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I don't think you get it. Can you please explain me why it was more important to nail Bill Clinton for having oral sex with Monica? Is it because of his lying?

Okay, What did Clinton lie? His affair with Monica?

Bush lied, people died. Clinton lied, Hillary cried.

Okay, Clinton made mistakes and told few lies - We human are all guilty for make mistakes and some faults as well... He is human like everyone including us.

I personally beleive Clinton is the best president... I believe the mistakes he made are between him and his wife Hillary, not everyone including us. The people should remember him for all the good things he did for them.

Anyway, Europeans don't care about the private lives of their politicians, and then Clinton's lies got him impreched. We can't see why the people are upset over his lies about affair with Monica. It's total ridiculous!!!

Example: A few years ago, when Gerhard Schroeder left his 3rd wife for a younger one - other married polictian made his lover a baby... Of course the newspaper spread out but nobody are interested because their background are not our business... and also their affair doesn't affect us either.

Anyway, Clinton warned Bush about Bin Laden as he took Clinton's position over.... Bush had his chance to capture Bin Laden, but Bush had decide to capture Saddam instead after Sept. 11th. Why?

Care to explain me what is about when you claim that I don't understand American policy system?

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I can see the problem is your ignorance because you are taking one side only, not both sides...

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He lied under oath to protect his bacon. How can we trust a President who lies under oath?


I guess that makes a cute bumper sticker for shallow people.


Let me get this straight. Clinton is human, so we can excuse his mistakes, huh? Bush is human, so we can't excuse his mistakes? That doesn't make any sense.


What were "all the good things he did"?


That's their problem.


That's really sad. I'm sorry to see the loss of integrity and morality in Europe. If a leader can't stay faithful to his spouse, how can he stay faithful to his duties? He seems very selfish to put his own personal desires above his duty to others.


The reason Clinton had to "warn" Bush was because Clinton dropped the ball in the first place. Bush didn't "decide to capture Saddam instead". Where did you get that so-called inside information?

Reba

I don't see you taking both sides. Does that mean that you are ignorant, too? Or are people "ignorant" only when they take the one side that is opposed to your one side?

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Oh yes I focus both sides... You know my posts with links in several threads... I listen both sides and accept the fact that Bush is the one who is responsible for those action he cause.

I personally don't hate Bush but he made awfully dozen of mistakes and a lot of lies... I have seen both sides... that's why.

All what I see that you and others denied both sides and support Bush. It's what I call is one side is an ignorant.

I remember the soliders and people ranted/vented are being ignored because you and others support Bush. What is this?

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I already told that before on early on this thread.

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no, it all start with policy such as someone cannot dating staff. It's concept like teacher dating their student. do you understand?

what heck? you post personal and yet, you care about Bush's personal? amazing...

one word... superpower

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[QUOTE]Is Clinton's affair scandal crime? You said nothing about Bush and denied Bush's lies and then blame Clinton over his affair with Monica...

His affair is none of our business. It's between Hillary and him, not us... It's up to Hillary either she want to divorce him or not... Hillary decided to not divorce him...

I guess you find Clinton's affair disgusit than people killed during Bush's time which is really sad.

Sure, we are human and make mistakes like Clinton and Bush but why you all make huge panic and disguist over Clinton's lying about his affair with Monica and find okay what and how the Bush did to his own people is DOZEN of lies and his people killed... Bush made awful alot of lies - he didn't make impeachment... It make no sense to me either.

Clinton takes care of his people in his country.

Exactly, that's what I am trying to explain! It's their problem, not ours... Why should we worry about Clinton's affair with Monica... It's his problem to deal with his wife, not ours. It's between them...


It's not just Europe but it does the same to the world!!!!!!!!!!!! It look like that you think Americans never do like that... Oh yes, they cheat their partners, etc. etc... What they did is not our business... It's their problem, they should deal/solve with their partners.

Anyway, mainly important is they doing their job to take care of their people and public well... Private and Public are strictly separated!!!!!!!!!!!
We don't have to nosey their background and they don't have to nosey our background... It's none of our business... we doing our job as the same they doing their job as well...

Again, duties at private and business/polities are strict separate. I find sad that we have to know too much about US polities's past background to find out etc.


See? Few links, I provided here is being ignored and continue to blame Clinton....

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You got that right!

Reba

1. You obviously haven't read all my posts (and I don't expect everyone to do that, of course); if you did, you would know that I don't support all of Bush's actions (or inactions).

2. You don't know how much research I do outside of my posts.

3. After researching both sides, a person has to make a decision. You can't sit on a fence forever without taking a stand. There is nothing ignorant about researching both sides, and then coming to a reasoned conclusion. After coming to a conclusion, one should have the guts to support that decision.


What do you mean they are being ignored? Ignored by whom? Other ADers? The Bush administration?

I'm afraid you're attributing too much power to Bush "supporters". Just because some of us aren't Bush bashers why do you assume that the ranters and venters are being ignored?

Reba

Lying under oath is a crime, yes.

When did Bush lie under oath? When did he lie, period? Please document your accusation. I don't make comments about something that didn't happen.


Then why do you keep bring it up?


Bush didn't kill anyone. Your comparison is illogical.

Are English people disgusted with Winston Churchill because British soldeirs died during WWII? No.


What lies? Do you have proof? No.

BTW, Americans were never in a "huge panic" over Clinton's lies. Disgusted? Yes. Panicked? No.


Please post documentation of the "awful alot of lies" that Bush supposedly told that caused deaths.

In other words, put up or shut up.


Specific proof please.

In other words, put up or shut up.


I was referring to the Europeans. I posted that it was their (Euro) problem that they have that viewpoint. I can't help the Europeans with their judgment problems.


Yes, that's very sad. The whole world is going to Hell in a hand basket.


I never said that. You brought up the European example, not me.

I wasn't referring to whether or not Americans and Europeans cheat on their spouses. I was referring to the public attitude about adultery.


Do you really believe a leader can be trusted publicly if he can't be trusted privately? How do you know his lies and cheating will just stay in his private life? If he thinks it's OK to lie and cheat at home, he will think it's OK to lie and cheat at work.

Tell me how someone keeps their private character and their public character "strictly separated" without being a dual personality (which is problematic in itself).


A government leader's job is a public trust. Your leaders' character and behavior is your business. It doesn't mean you have to go out of your way to peak into their bedrooms but it does mean that the leader shouldn't be hiding illegal or immoral secrets that can reveal his true character.

If a leader is an active alcoholic or drug abuser, a wife beater, a pedophile, a gambler, an adulterer, etc., those things affect his judgment and behavior. You can't separate them.


I guess moral character isn't important to some people. If you want a liar, thief, or cheater to represent you, go for it. I prefer to have an honest, faithful person represent me.

As for business leaders; do you want the CEO to be someone who lies and cheats? If he lies to his wife, how do you know he isn't lying to you? If he cheats on his wife for a little personal sexual pleasure, how do you know he doesn't cheat on safety reports in the factory for a little personal monetary gain?

A person who lies is a liar. That means the person lies at home AND at work. Don't kid yourself.

Where's the links?

Foxrac

Reba, Do you support Bush?

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Reba

I don't know what your definition of "support" is so I can't give a simple "yes" or "no". Here's my reply:

I'm not a Republican but I voted for him in both presidential elections.

I support his stand against terrorism.

I support the troops that he commands.

I believe he won both elections, fair and square.

I'm disappointed in some things that he promotes, and some things that he neglects.

I don't believe he intentionally lied about Iraq.

I don't believe he should be impeached.

I think it's wrong to use vulgar name-calling and personal insults against him.

I believe he's too politically liberal, and that he tries too hard to satisfy the Democrats and liberal social groups.

I believe he's sincere about his beliefs and goals but he doesn't always follow thru the best way.

If that doesn't answer your question, please ask me something specific about Bush.

Liebling:-)))

No, the link shows how much Bush hate Saddam. It could be that one of many reasons why he send his soliders to Iraq? Just a thought.

We know that he use different reasons as an excuse to send soliders to Iraq...

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It´s a just thought of me because you defend Bush against Clinton in your several posts.

That´s good to know that you admit that Bush is not great president.

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[QUOTE]I didn´t see until your response post to Pacman here for a first time today. All what I see your posts in several threads to defend Bush.

Unfortunlately yes, the threads are about soliders´s ranted/vented against Bush and how/why they disagreed with Bush etc. etc. I even didn´t see your support posts toward them but defend Bush...

Unfortunlately yes, several threads is about soliders and the people who stated in the media or websites what they experienced and are unhappy about Bush etc... are being ignored and defend Bush and tried to put us down.

We are not Bush bashers but saw the fact what and how he did thru media, TV, his own word on TV, etc.

I do not involve when someone made stupid jokes and made fun of Bush etc. in several threads because "bash, mock or bully" toward Bush or anyone are not acceptance but I only involve the fact what and how he did due his job as President.

If Bush is ill or had an accident or whatever... I do support him and wish him good luck on his speedy recover etc. Example about Saddam... I know he is a terrible man and treat his own people horrible but I am against to have him punish to death. It´s me.

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[QUOTE]Clinton was impeached because he lied under oath. He lied about adultery. Crime? It´s really a pathetic.

Clinton's lies didn't kill anyone.



Top Ten Reasons to Impeach George Bush and Dick Cheney - Associated Content

Bush Vs. Clinton

The True Lies of George W. Bush -- A BuzzFlash Guest Commentary


Yes - see those links, I just provide.

Bush send his soliders to Iraq to kill thousands innoncent people for nothing. Your comment make me really sad.


There´re no comparison between Iraq war and WWII.

wow, I cannot beleive after read your comment here... Everyone knows Bush´s lie has killed and wounded thousands of American soldiers and Iraqi people including children. (see those links above).

Unfortunlately yes, I withnessed on TV... They are angry over Clinton´s lies...

Disgusted? Interesting...

I think Bill Clinton was an intelligent man, I often saw him on TV... Even no disrespect to anyone who likes Bush. We don't care if he lied about having an affair with Monica - he is only human who makes mistakes like everybody. The people and his own wife forgave him. I only care about how and what he ran his country and take care of his people which was better than I can say about Bush.


See links above and also other link

The Most Dangerous Lie, by Pamela Troy - Democratic Underground

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I am total surprised about your comment here... wow Why should I make a list for you then? You are an adult and know what and how Clinton did at his 8 years president time.

Anyway, you can see people´s comments about Clinton.
AskMen.com - Bill Clinton

The poll shows how the Bill doing his duty as president pretty good

Clinton: Job Ratings

Bill Clinton Third Most Popular President

Bill Clinton Third Most Popular President - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime

Bill Clinton was right

I never say that Europeans have judgement problems... I only said that the polictian´s private affair is not our business. We really don´t care to know about their private affair but mainly important is they take care of their job well.

So?

It doesn´t matter but Clinton CHEAT his own wife.. .It´s between him and his wife, not public attitude about his adultery to Monica because it´s none of our business. We do not need to know about his affair...

Private and Public are strict separated, period.

Clinton doing his duty as president and take care of his people and country pretty good. His affair with Monica has nothing do with his job as President but private matter between him and his wife.

Interesting... do you mean that American Politicals including presidents are angel and have clean background? Never have affairs, drinking driving, sex, womenizer, etc... ?

Anyway, other subject - this link proves how good job Clinton take care of during 8 years presidency accord links, I just provide and other link here.


Are you accuse Clinton as a liar same because he make mistake for lie over his affair with Monica and his work? Look yourself how good job he take care of as 8 years presidency accord links, I just provide and look this link... how good he with economy...http://www.tvnewslies.org/bushbudget.gif

You can´t deny it or tried to say that links are not fact or whatever but it´s fact because it tells very a lot.

With all due respect...Bill Clinton is a real politician and has a good experience. It make him a great president.

See this video and news...
Think Progress » VIDEO: President Clinton Warns Against Iran Attack

Bush should take Clinton´s advice... His advice is an excellent... Bush should not attack Iraq but talk with them is the best solution.








Check links at my previous posts.

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Apparently lying and cheating is acceptable to you, so there's nothing more I can say.


Sigh...you still don't understand the difference between facts and opinions, so it's pointless for me to ask again.

Did you even notice in the url of the last one it says, "Guest Commentary"? Commentary means "opinion". Commentaries are found on the editorial pages of newspapers, not on the news pages. On TV news programs the commentaries are usually at the end, and clearly announced as "opinion", not "news".

I'm afraid too many people are accepting anything on the web as "fact" just because it shows up in a search engine.


Blogs and opinion sites are not proof; they are viewpoints. I hope someday you will understand the difference.


Your repetition of unsubstantiated claims is what is really sad.


"Everyone" knows, huh? Really. "Everyone." You had time to check with "everyone" about that? Wow.

I guess that means "everyone" on the planet except me. Amazing.


That's weird. I live in the USA, and I never saw any "panic" over Clinton's affair (except maybe by Clinton's cronies). People were disgusted, disappointed, and ticked off but there was no "panic" in the streets.


What does that have to do with anything? He was still a liar and cheater.


Why do you care anything at all about Clinton? He wasn't President of your country.

FYI, Clinton didn't "take care of his people" (unless you mean his women instead of the American people).


Hello . . . another "opinion" rant from a sour loser whining that Bush didn't really win the election. You call that "proof"?

Honestly, sometimes I think you just click and link stuff without actually reading it.


You're the one that insists Clinton did wonderful things for Americans during his eight years. It's up to you to convince me.

You can't prove it, so you try to deflect my challenge by putting the burden of proof on me. Nice try but it doesn't work.

Huh? That site is "Men of the Week: Entertainment". What does that have to do with factual history?


You realize that polls are "opinions", right?

In the "TalkLeft" link, did you notice this?

"...George W. Bush managed to tie Clinton for third place...."

Did you notice that the article "Bill Clinton was right" referred to his political speaking abilities, not to his actions as a leader?

"...Now, of course, for Clinton tough rhetoric was always easier than tough action. It took a Republican Congress to translate Clinton's rhetoric into reality..."


I didn't say that you said Europeans have a judgment problem. I said that Europeans have a judgment problem.

Let me repeat the quote, to clear up your confusion:

"I was referring to the Europeans. I posted that it was their (Euro) problem that they have that viewpoint. I can't help the Europeans with their judgment problems."


Well, you're right about one thing. It's really none of your business because he wasn't your President of your country.


How are they separated? Was there some magic that happened that changed liar Clinton into honest Clinton when he sat in the Oval Office? Oops! My mistake. It was in the Oval Office where he was doing the nasty. Let's try that one again.


I didn't say that, did I? Americans want their leaders to live clean, honest lives, and when they don't we are disappointed, disgusted, hurt, and angry. We demand they resign, or we elect them out of office. Most decent Americans want decent leaders. Sadly, many Americans are becoming immoral themselves, so they accept immoral leaders because they want lower standards that fit their own lifestyles.

As long as people accept low moral standards for their leaders, the leaders will take advantage of that acceptance.


I see a chart. Can you please explain to me specifically what Clinton did to cause that? That is, what financial policies did he enact, what legislation did encourage that caused that result.


Politicians and statesmen are not the same thing. Most real statesmen don't want to be referred to as "real politicians". What was Clinton's "good experience" before he became President? He was the governor of a poor redneck state. At least Bush was governor of a large important state.


Um, in this video Clinton advises Bush to not attack IRAN. It's not about Iraq. Bush hasn't attacked Iran, and he hasn't said anything about attacking Iran.

Do you notice your url says "VIDEO: President Clinton Warns Against Iran Attack"?

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George talks sloppy and repeated his statements at the Capital. I am embarrassed the way he talks on the national TV news. I cannot believe that he talks like that. It sounds that George is not the president.

Please keep in your mind when you hear his next speech on a national TV news. Listen to his speech carefully. Let us know what you think. Please hold your breath until his speech is finished. I did not want to jump this conclusion.
I guarantee that you will be surprised.

Reba

He's not a great orator. I always hold my breath when he speaks.

Texan Guy

As far as I know he's not good as a public speaker. I think everyone knows that.

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[QUOTE]Clinton had admitted the affair and accept his knowledge that he made a mistake and did regretted it and ask for forgive and move on... instead of spend millions to find out about his affair with Monica... and get Ken Starr.... Why have the people make a big fuss over that affair... look this...

Independent probes of Clinton Administration cost nearly $80 million - April 1, 1999

I can't believe how the public can accept the huge taxpayer's money that Kenneth Starr wasted on Clinton's affair... Yes, Clinton should not lied, but Starr shouldn't investigated Clinton's private affairs in the first place.

What a waste...



Remember our debate in my old thread over type of lies.
http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates...ypes-lies.html

It could be reason why he lied is because he don't want anyone to know what/how he did with Monica because he want to protect his reputation and family.

Clinton is not the first and last president who have an affair or lie to the public. Perhaps you remember the example about Gingrich? I mean the president of the USA (not just USA but world) tells lies everyday to their people. Do you honestly believe that this is the only lie? Personally I think the people in everywhere did a lot worse.

ABC News: Gingrich Admits to Affair During Clinton Impeachment

I do understand the difference. Like what I said before that I take BOTH sides.

I am right about you that you take only one side... It shows that you support politicans only because you beleive only in fact... Remember, the fact often are being ignored. I rather to look both sides until I decide myself. I collect the people/solider's ranted/vented and began to beleive them, not Bush because I often saw Bush change his speech often...



I see nothing wrong that the people express their feeling what they thought about their President, etc. and also fight against President etc. They hope their view to get white house attention but their expression about Bush are being ignored which is a really sad.

I am afraid that you are too blind to beleive the fact on Bush's and his colleague's side than take other sides who experienced in their life and what/how Bush did to them.

Again, like what I said before that I take both sides. I hope you will understand either... Remember the example about katrina issues? You defend for Bush and his people against Governor in heat debated thread. You denied that Bush is part of responsible to cause Katrina etc and ignored Governor's letter for the help because you want the fact, not opinion/NPOV. All what you continue to blame Governor for the responsible etc...... Few days later after debated thread, Bush offically admitted his mistake.

wow...

:confused: I never said one word "everyone expect you"... You made it up. Perhaps I should say next time "Everyone in the world except Bush's supporters"

I am surprised that American TV did not show you what and how behavior the people did toward Clinton... or perhaps it's European's different emotion after saw kind of behavior Americans over Clinton's lie.

Really? wow... What about Bush? Do you mean that Clinton's situation is the worst than Bush? You care about Clinton's private matter than remember his duty as president to run his country well, don't you?

I remember Clinton's interview on TV document. He regretted what/how mistake he made during his President time and also his private life as well. He stood up bravely on the impreachment and after that, he didn't quit but move on.

I find the sad that some people have the problem to accept Clinton's past and move on...


For your information, I know Clinton family's life thru TV News, documents, meidas, etc and like them.

President Clinton is not prefect but he was a better President who had more sense.

I remember he admitted at the TV interview that he feel that he is fail to get healthcare to reform Social Security, didn't get Bin Laden and sorry that he was not enough to convince the Isrealis and the Palestinains peace etc.

But Clinton did many good things, like the budget etc. He might have done millions of good things, BUT his reputation over affair goes down in history which is really sad.


Is Monica and Paula one of his "women" instead of American people, you referred to? wow... It sound that you can't forgive and can't forget over Clinton's affair... and don't want to remember what and how he run country for 8 years. Sure, he made mistakes but still better than I can say about Bush.

Hello? Did you know what you judge here the people as sour loser whining... ? Hello? You kept deny that you support Bush and his people... See yourself what you said here...

You do not accept their opinion but the fact... Again, the fact could be often ingored that's why the people expressed their POV and also shared their rant/vent what/how they expreienced... It's not just bloggers, but World New TV, documents, meidas, etc are everywhere... like what I created threads? I hope one day that the people from White House accept people's expression over Bush and on their side. (I know they won't but I hope one day).

wow

I see nothing wrong that the Americans vote the poll what they expressed their thought about Clinton's job task as President... You denied it and interest in fact, not opinion what they thought about Clinton. wow...

All what I only want to show you the fact what the % climbed up to 60% after Clinton left office in 2001.

What I provided few links about Clinton is not enough for you because they are opinoin... It's your problem, not mine.




If you want the fact... then here is link for you....

Powell tried to talk Bush out of war - Times Online

Yes I know you referred to the Europeans because I am also European, too.

wow, do you mean that Europeans (including myself) are not allow to judge or share their point of view about Clinton after learn from his affair with Monica because Clinton was not President of EuropeanS' country? It's not just their affair scandal but Bush's scandal over Iraq war, etc. as well. I am an European and allow to judge what I saw from TV everyday about the world, etc. You should complaint to Media to stop to spread US scandals over to the Europe and other countries.

Yes I know that they did in the Oval Office. I already stated in previous post that he regretted for mistake, he made. So? Wait a minute.... They should do something on Clinton instead of wasted taxpayer's money on investigate on that blowjob in the Oval office, don't you think so?


Then do not need to tell me that their background should be clean because we awared that a lot of politicans are not prefect people like everyone... Important is they take care of their job task well.

wow, you think I don't know what it is about? See yourself that you ignored how good enocomy, he did during president time which compare to Bush's presidency.

Here link what Clinton thought about Bush's budget.

Clinton Launches Withering Attack On Bush On Iraq, Katrina, Budget




Oh my God, I cannot beleive after read your comment here... It sound that you think Bush is a talent than Clinton that's because Clinton was the governor of a poor redneck state... I hope the people won't upset after read your nasty judgement here.

I know from TV document that Bill Clinton was politian all his life and fought his dream to be President... He did it successful.

Don't you know about the history of Iran-Iraq war?

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Why does you believe that Bush is too politically liberal?

Are you neutral, not republican or not democrat?

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