what if fcc cut vrs already right then what you do next?

starship winger · 05-26-2007, 12:49 AM

what if fcc cut vrs already right then what you do next?
hmm let me think,,,,ok good idea let all of your new/old TDD/TTY return to where you brought and get money back depend ok. OR you can send all ttys mail to FCC building and let fcc see how much deaf people dont want back same old times with tty! fcc will notice deaf people want to keep VRS running for life no matter how much rate are import. i bet fcc office will tired of too many boxes of tty on them's desk!

let them find out! got it huh?

Foxrac · 05-26-2007, 07:57 AM

Have you report to NAD?

Nesmuth · 05-26-2007, 09:39 AM

Go ahead and whine to NAD. Make Bobbie sweat.

Richard

starship winger · 05-26-2007, 12:28 PM

NAD already know it.

diehardbiker · 05-26-2007, 01:57 PM

I would try to start protest rally around FCC office in Washington D.C. It is going to be huge one, Im sure of that. Know why? Too many deafies down there, easy to form one.

This would mean I WILL be willing to give up days from my work to keep VRS alive!

nozobo · 05-26-2007, 10:38 PM

If FCC already cut VRS, but at least we have free VP lol... but VRS is the major problem but hey.. the ip-relay service is gonna smile over this

Nesmuth · 05-27-2007, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nozobo

If FCC already cut VRS, but at least we have free VP lol... but VRS is the major problem but hey.. the ip-relay service is gonna smile over this

Literacy in the deaf community will be a big winner if FCC decides to cut VRS.

Richard

PePe LePew · 05-27-2007, 10:43 AM

I knows that using VRS helps better understanding communications than using yahoo IM, AOL AIM, MSN IM and E-mail or the chatroom...

I was told that face to face on VRS or in person is the better than typing talking to people on aim, msn and yahoo, because every one of us get each other misunderstanding which leads to fighting alots...

I was told that writing letters, or E-mails, talking on phone, tty or on the computer don't works which everyone get alots of misunderstanding, most of us don't understand what the person is trying to says or to explains, so there's a VRS to see the person to try to sort out the problems face to face works better in communicating and better understanding...

It's unfair that hearings can speaks on phone and using webcam, we deaf-hearing impaired had a hard life back then, finally we got the VRS which makes our life much easier, now what ?

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Originally Posted by starship winger

what if fcc cut vrs already right then what you do next?
hmm let me think,,,,ok good idea let all of your new/old TDD/TTY return to where you brought and get money back depend ok. OR you can send all ttys mail to FCC building and let fcc see how much deaf people dont want back same old times with tty! fcc will notice deaf people want to keep VRS running for life no matter how much rate are import. i bet fcc office will tired of too many boxes of tty on them's desk!

let them find out! got it huh?

05-28-2007, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nesmuth

Literacy in the deaf community will be a big winner if FCC decides to cut VRS.

Richard

I don't know about that. Seems to me TRS had plenty of time to teach literacy before VRS came along (assuming that's what you're insinuating would happen without vrs.) Didn't quite work, did it? Without VRS we'd just have more misunderstandings and less real communication.

Are you anti-asl? I'm just wondering because other than signing there is no way to communicate effectively in ASL considering it's not written or spoken. How are people whose first language is ASL going to communicate efficiently without it? TRS doesn't do it.

Let me also ask if you're anti-interpreter as well. What's the difference between having an interpreter in real life and having one on the phone?

Nesmuth · 05-28-2007, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by vrsterp

I don't know about that. Seems to me TRS had plenty of time to teach literacy before VRS came along (assuming that's what you're insinuating would happen without vrs.) Didn't quite work, did it? Without VRS we'd just have more misunderstandings and less real communication.

Are you anti-asl? I'm just wondering because other than signing there is no way to communicate effectively in ASL considering it's not written or spoken. How are people whose first language is ASL going to communicate efficiently without it? TRS doesn't do it.

Let me also ask if you're anti-interpreter as well. What's the difference between having an interpreter in real life and having one on the phone?

Let me tell you this. I'm anti-lamer.

Richard

nozobo · 05-28-2007, 06:03 PM

I just got home from out-of-the-blue coffee chat with 2 friends of our, we had a heat discussion about FCC cutting VRS. Our friend think VRS is paying interpreator too much money also most jobs despite hire deaf people due to high cost of interpreator so interpreator is partly like to blame such like charging for a high fee of interpreating for fixed of 2 hours or more...

diehardbiker · 05-28-2007, 10:03 PM

No wonder why your ex-wife left you!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesmuth

Let me tell you this. I'm anti-lamer.

Richard

starship winger · 05-28-2007, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PePe LePew

I knows that using VRS helps better understanding communications than using yahoo IM, AOL AIM, MSN IM and E-mail or the chatroom...

I was told that face to face on VRS or in person is the better than typing talking to people on aim, msn and yahoo, because every one of us get each other misunderstanding which leads to fighting alots...

I was told that writing letters, or E-mails, talking on phone, tty or on the computer don't works which everyone get alots of misunderstanding, most of us don't understand what the person is trying to says or to explains, so there's a VRS to see the person to try to sort out the problems face to face works better in communicating and better understanding...

It's unfair that hearings can speaks on phone and using webcam, we deaf-hearing impaired had a hard life back then, finally we got the VRS which makes our life much easier, now what ?

yes you are Damn Right,,lol

05-29-2007, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesmuth

Let me tell you this. I'm anti-lamer.

Richard

Wow, way to avoid my serious questions. Guess we all know the answers now. Good to know your true feelings. Anti-ASL, Anti-Interpreter. Fantastic deaf empowerment, buddy.

diehardbiker · 05-29-2007, 08:50 AM

True deaf empowerment in wrong direction! I agreed!

Quote:

Originally Posted by vrsterp

Wow, way to avoid my serious questions. Guess we all know the answers now. Good to know your true feelings. Anti-ASL, Anti-Interpreter. Fantastic deaf empowerment, buddy.

Nesmuth · 05-29-2007, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

No wonder why your ex-wife left you!

No its I left her. I'm the one who gave her the separation agreement on April 21, 2003 after staying 2 months at my mom's.

Richard

PowerON · 05-29-2007, 02:54 PM

you know why? It's Sorenson part responsible who asked to raise. That make some trouble. Maybe it's rumor. It's my theory

PowerON · 05-29-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by nozobo

If FCC already cut VRS, but at least we have free VP lol... but VRS is the major problem but hey.. the ip-relay service is gonna smile over this

if anyone want upgrade VP200, better be whore on VRS. And they will give you one

nozobo · 05-29-2007, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerON

if anyone want upgrade VP200, better be whore on VRS. And they will give you one

Not me... I'm lucky one because... Our old VP100 broke while redecorate around the living room and somehow VP itself won't turn on so I contact the installer to come replace one. They did BUT ther Sorenson send them another broken VP so they upgraded me to VP200, luv it!

TechBill · 05-29-2007, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nozobo

If FCC already cut VRS, but at least we have free VP lol... but VRS is the major problem but hey.. the ip-relay service is gonna smile over this

Actually you never owned the VP, the VP devices still belong to the company that provided it to you and can be taken back by them any time.

That is in the Term of Service.

nozobo · 05-29-2007, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TechBill

Actually you never owned the VP, the VP devices still belong to the company that provided it to you and can be taken back by them any time.

That is in the Term of Service.

I never mentioned I owned the VP, just replacement.

kurtcs · 05-29-2007, 08:09 PM

FCC will NOT cut VRS.. They are just adjusting rates for the services like will the rates go up/down or something like that. It's very, very unlikely to shut VRS down.

nozobo · 05-29-2007, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurtcs

FCC will NOT cut VRS.. They are just adjusting rates for the services like will the rates go up/down or something like that. It's very, very unlikely to shut VRS down.

how do you know and got any proof?

diehardbiker · 05-29-2007, 09:23 PM

Let put this way, what they means "SEVERE" in other words VERY DEEP cuts on VRS rates. What scares me is that the more cuts, the possible of longer wait time for next available operator may be inevitable. We do not want go back to the days when we wait for hours for next available operator. That is the whole point. DO something or FCC thinks you don't care and go ahead cut them more,

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurtcs

FCC will NOT cut VRS.. They are just adjusting rates for the services like will the rates go up/down or something like that. It's very, very unlikely to shut VRS down.

ideafspy · 05-29-2007, 10:08 PM

If you guy are not sure or using your theory with non-sense stuff. Why not you guy take a look at VRSCA - Video Relay Services Consumer Association and then click "ACT NOW". It will tell you and explaining you how that will impact to VRS.

Not just Sorenson's fault for the raise cause... What about SNAPVRS are getting that similar device but built-in with mini-vp. It is same amount of what Sorenson's product.

What about i711 and those website using the internet that also cost money on bandwidth, the bandwidth is traffic. When there are two roads for one-way. It will be delay to getting there until upgrading or construction road to bigger or more lanes mean more money and demand.

Please some read history how VRS start; Video Relay Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. It is interesting to know but sad that British Video Relay actually closed.

I don't want USA be next.

Nesmuth · 05-30-2007, 12:12 AM

Why should taxpayers pay a premium to promote the use of a communication language that has been weaponized by the ASL militants and extremists?

Richard

diehardbiker · 05-30-2007, 12:21 AM

Hey anti-VRS activitist, and deaf supressor!

There is DAMN good reason for this, first of all... Many hearing people REFUSED to help open up communication with deaf. And tell me how many times you have had hangs up on TTY relay services? That s tad too much!

Second, with TTY, problem is deaf's primary language is NOT English, it is ASL, and from my experience which proves one too many times that VRS have clarity comparing to TTY. I have had enough misunderstanding with TTY conversation. VRS and VP have proved to be one of most valuable tools for us.

And FINALLY having VRS would reduce the likelihood of having scammer doing scams like though TTY relay services have seen a plenty of time everyday. Obviously plenty of them don't know sign language, thus reduce likelihood of being abused.

I personally am sick of you trying to pull down some good cause for no apparent reason, perhaps your too embarassed that you finally got TTY machine set up every half mile whatever it is along southern california freeway, and rarely deaf use them, and them politicans stare at you, and say WHY WE HAVE SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND ALMOST NO ONE IS USING IT. Are you tryin to get Deafies use them more often than VRS?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesmuth

Why should taxpayers pay a premium to promote the use of a communication language that has been weaponized by the ASL militants and extremists?

Richard

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starship winger Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 43	what if fcc cut vrs already right then what you do next? what if fcc cut vrs already right then what you do next? hmm let me think,,,,ok good idea let all of your new/old TDD/TTY return to where you brought and get money back depend ok. OR you can send all ttys mail to FCC building and let fcc see how much deaf people dont want back same old times with tty! fcc will notice deaf people want to keep VRS running for life no matter how much rate are import. i bet fcc office will tired of too many boxes of tty on them's desk! let them find out! got it huh?

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diehardbiker Busy in poker room Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,027	I would try to start protest rally around FCC office in Washington D.C. It is going to be huge one, Im sure of that. Know why? Too many deafies down there, easy to form one. This would mean I WILL be willing to give up days from my work to keep VRS alive!

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ideafspy Are you ...... Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 774	If you guy are not sure or using your theory with non-sense stuff. Why not you guy take a look at VRSCA - Video Relay Services Consumer Association and then click "ACT NOW". It will tell you and explaining you how that will impact to VRS. Not just Sorenson's fault for the raise cause... What about SNAPVRS are getting that similar device but built-in with mini-vp. It is same amount of what Sorenson's product. What about i711 and those website using the internet that also cost money on bandwidth, the bandwidth is traffic. When there are two roads for one-way. It will be delay to getting there until upgrading or construction road to bigger or more lanes mean more money and demand. Please some read history how VRS start; Video Relay Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. It is interesting to know but sad that British Video Relay actually closed. I don't want USA be next. __________________ Let the star inner your heart be blast dark sky where there will be a bright kingdom.

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Nesmuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Southland of California Posts: 3,199	Why should taxpayers pay a premium to promote the use of a communication language that has been weaponized by the ASL militants and extremists? Richard