Dumb access denial excuses for your service dog - Page 5

whatdidyousay! · 08-09-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck

I live in California

There should few places to get a hearing in hearing dog California!
what part of California do you live in? I lived in California for nine years and loved it!

whatdidyousay! · 08-09-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pek1

Dixie,

I bathe Snickers about once per month, maybe every six weeks. She is an extremely clean dog and no smell. Second, she sees her vet regularly and whenever she is having a problem. She didn't see the vet this past week because she had runny poop and did it in the classroom, but I have restricted all treats and treated her illness myself. Saves money. If it got worse, I would have her in. I also contacted a vet clinic that offers discounts, but haven't heard back yet. Third, you are giving a "certifying agency" way too much credit, as the ADA does NOT require a service animal to be "certified." Fourth and last, no one and I do mean NO ONE steps between my hearing dog and me. I trained her. No one has the right to judge her training by me, as I won't allow it. Rest assured, Snickers is my hearing dog and that's what I trained her to be, but to have someone come in and make a stupid request of a demonstration, ah, sorry but we are not a circus act and I don't do demonstrations. No hard feelings, Dixie, but this had to be told and misinformation needed to stand corrected.

My dog is almost 10 years old and he look like is five years old! His hair cuts cut more than mine do! He eat real good dog food and get no junk dog food , the food that has dye in it! My dog is very clean too , I bring the lab for blood work and the women are all over him! He is a real play boy! He love the attention! I feel bad for that poor dog in the sad story!

whatdidyousay! · 08-09-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Why would anyone want a hearing dog?

I wish I had a hearing dog when I had my baby! My baby slept right next to my bed. She started crying one night , I did not hear my baby and she was right next to me! My baby woke up my friend with her crying and my friend fed her for me! If I had a hearing dog the dog could had woken me up!
My friend did not wake me as she thought I needed the sleep! If my friend was not living in the same house with me my poor baby would had gone with eating all night! I wish some one told about hearing dogs ! I was living
CA. at the time and there were a few places that trains dogs for the deaf and HOH! I feel a lot safer at night too as my dog bark at one one that in the hallway or building! My dog has told when people are at the door and when the smoke alarm went off . I could have had a fire in my condo other wise!

dogmom · 08-09-2009, 06:54 PM

I think it is not up to me to judge whether another person requires a alert/service dog or not. I have no problem with legitimate service dogs in places of business.
I did some volunteer work for a while working w/assistance dogs in training, taking them to public places.

souggy · 08-09-2009, 07:27 PM

I notice a lot of people talk about allergies here, and I notice there's a few indirect references to their dogs being hypo-allergenic:

I do have to bring this up, different people have different allergies. Some are allergic to fur and dander. Others are allergic to saliva, animal wastes and so on.

I have a Shiba Inu, who I left with my parents, most people who are allergic to fur and dander are fine around him. However the people who are allergic to dog saliva get a reaction, while they are fine around most dogs, because Shiba Inu are self-cleaning dogs and often lick themselves.

I, myself? I am allergic to animal wastes. I can't be around cats that play in their litterboxes, dogs that roll in their own wastes and so on which seems to be a large majority of people's pets out there. So, yeah, a poodle may be hypo-allergenic, but I still can't be around them if they are NOT the type that are spot-trained and are cleaned up immediately after they defecate.

There are many other dog- and cat-specific allergies out there that you may not know about, which require some "thinking-out-of-the-box" here.

This is coming from a guy who love playing with dogs, and bend down to pet stray cats.

***VamPyroX*** · 08-09-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

I wish I had a hearing dog when I had my baby! My baby slept right next to my bed. She started crying one night , I did not hear my baby and she was right next to me! My baby woke up my friend with her crying and my friend fed her for me! If I had a hearing dog the dog could had woken me up!
My friend did not wake me as she thought I needed the sleep! If my friend was not living in the same house with me my poor baby would had gone with eating all night! I wish some one told about hearing dogs ! I was living
CA. at the time and there were a few places that trains dogs for the deaf and HOH! I feel a lot safer at night too as my dog bark at one one that in the hallway or building! My dog has told when people are at the door and when the smoke alarm went off . I could have had a fire in my condo other wise!

They do have baby monitors and strobe lights for when babies cry. My sister has a pad that alerts her if the baby's heart stops beating (or isn't in bed).

shel90 · 08-09-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

They do have baby monitors and strobe lights for when babies cry. My sister has a pad that alerts her if the baby's heart stops beating (or isn't in bed).

Agreed...but maybe the person had her baby when there were no strobe lights?

whatdidyousay! · 08-09-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

My opinion? They don't need service dogs.

I think the hearing service dog thing is getting abused too much and out of hand to a point where it makes us deaf people look bad walking around like snobs and saying, "I'm deaf. I have a right!" *sticks nose in air*

I do not feel like a snob with my hearing dog! People thought I was Snob when I did not move so they could pass me in the grocery store! They would get mad at me and hit me with their wagon! People no longer think I am a snob , they wait till I am done getting the item off the shelf and some people think I am blind and ask if need help finding somrthing! It feel great to go shopping and not have people run their wagons into you! I no longer have to get piss off at people!

Dodge Trucker · 08-09-2009, 09:53 PM

Talking about being snob...every time we go to Wally World or our local grocery store..when my wife is in front of cashier (shes deaf) and I am emptying out the cart with whatever onto conveyor belt..I watch what cashier say to my wife like "hello..how you" etc etc MY wife doesnt pay attention some times and since the cashier doesnt get a response..they give an ugly face while wife is looking away.

I then go up to cashier and tell him/her "shes fully deaf..she couldnt hear you telling her (whatever she said)" then I immediately tell my wife what she said.

You should see the embarrassement on the cashiers face. Gets them every time.

Same is true for when my wife is in food aisle and some one tries to pass or get something besids my wife or in front of my wife. I then tell em she cant hear you. Every time they apologize to either me or the wife.

whatdidyousay! · 08-09-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

They do have baby monitors and strobe lights for when babies cry. My sister has a pad that alerts her if the baby's heart stops beating (or isn't in bed).

A baby monitors and strobe lights may not had woke we up when my baby cried ! And no one told about baby monitors 35 years ago! And I don't think there were strobe lights for baby 35 years! It is great we have all these thing to help us . but some people do like dogs and I see no harm in having a hearing dog! I

whatdidyousay! · 08-09-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodge Trucker

Talking about being snob...every time we go to Wally World or our local grocery store..when my wife is in front of cashier (shes deaf) and I am emptying out the cart with whatever onto conveyor belt..I watch what cashier say to my wife like "hello..how you" etc etc MY wife doesnt pay attention some times and since the cashier doesnt get a response..they give an ugly face while wife is looking away.

I then go up to cashier and tell him/her "shes fully deaf..she couldnt hear you telling her (whatever she said)" then I immediately tell my wife what she said.

You should see the embarrassement on the cashiers face. Gets them every time.

Same is true for when my wife is in food aisle and some one tries to pass or get something besids my wife or in front of my wife. I then tell em she cant hear you. Every time they apologize to either me or the wife.

I was in traffic once and a cop was saying something to me and I could not hear him! The cop came up to my car and yell "are you deaf'"! I told I was HOH and he got really embarrassed and walked away!
I was in a shoes store with my friend and sale lady was talking to me but I could not hear her! She kept on talking and and I never answer her .She finally got upset and said 'very loud 'I may as well be talking to myself!"
My friend turned around and told the woman I was HOH and could not hear her! The woman got all puff up after that! Boy my friend was really upset with the woman more than I was!

whatdidyousay! · 08-09-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

I notice a lot of people talk about allergies here, and I notice there's a few indirect references to their dogs being hypo-allergenic:

I do have to bring this up, different people have different allergies. Some are allergic to fur and dander. Others are allergic to saliva, animal wastes and so on.

I have a Shiba Inu, who I left with my parents, most people who are allergic to fur and dander are fine around him. However the people who are allergic to dog saliva get a reaction, while they are fine around most dogs, because Shiba Inu are self-cleaning dogs and often lick themselves.

I, myself? I am allergic to animal wastes. I can't be around cats that play in their litterboxes, dogs that roll in their own wastes and so on which seems to be a large majority of people's pets out there. So, yeah, a poodle may be hypo-allergenic, but I still can't be around them if they are NOT the type that are spot-trained and are cleaned up immediately after they defecate.

There are many other dog- and cat-specific allergies out there that you may not know about, which require some "thinking-out-of-the-box" here.

This is coming from a guy who love playing with dogs, and bend down to pet stray cats.

I am really allergic to perfumes! I did not know if until I brought some and put a few drops on my neck! I had trouble breathing ! But I do not tell a to woman to move if she has on perfume, I move away from her! I know when I bring my hearing to Market Basket or Shaw's and an employee want to pat my dog , I tell them it not a good idea as they're handling food!

Liebling:-))) · 08-10-2009, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

They do have baby monitors and strobe lights for when babies cry. My sister has a pad that alerts her if the baby's heart stops beating (or isn't in bed).

Oh yes, I use special baby monitors with flash lighting when my both boys were babies.

Yes, many hearing parents use baby monitors to prevent cot death.

shel90 · 08-10-2009, 08:15 AM

Ihave been called a snob or get people angry at me. It used to bother me so much before but now, I dont give a rat's ass to what people think of me anymore. I cant make everyone happy so why get upset over it. I just move on.

souggy · 08-10-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

I am really allergic to perfumes! I did not know if until I brought some and put a few drops on my neck! I had trouble breathing ! But I do not tell a to woman to move if she has on perfume, I move away from her! I know when I bring my hearing to Market Basket or Shaw's and an employee want to pat my dog , I tell them it not a good idea as they're handling food!

Actually, mine is severe enough that I can't be in the same room.

I don't usually have a problem with service dogs, because the owners usually keep them clean. Although I did remember there was one guide dog that was brought into the classroom, with a blind student, and I kept having nosebleeds and I couldn't figure out why. I thought it was my poor diet, or some chemical since I am "allergic to everything under the sun," so to say.

It didn't really occur to me until two months into the semester that the blind student doesn't clean up, as in pick up, after his dog; bathing the dog was moot point. I have never touched the dog, out of respect for their professionalism, and we were on opposite ends of the room. The matters only cleared up with the student services brought up the importance of cleaning up after his dog during its bathroom breaks, then I stopped having nosebleeds.

However since in Canada, the only service dogs I see in public are ones for the blind, and most of the others, like hearing dogs, are kept in cars or in people's homes; so I never had to address the issue of proper hygiene with other service dogs. Just food for thoughts, a lot of people overlook the non-obvious allergies.

MySolace · 08-15-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EyesBlueDeaf

What about the hearing dog - I still don't see why Deaf people have to drag them along everywhere they go.

Ummm, I can think of many reasons a hearing dog would be useful in public places. If your phone rings, the dog can alert you. If someone calls your name, if someone is walking behind you in a dark parking lot/street. If someone is trying to get your attention without calling your name. Make sense?

Bottesini · 08-16-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MySolace

Ummm, I can think of many reasons a hearing dog would be useful in public places. If your phone rings, the dog can alert you. If someone calls your name, if someone is walking behind you in a dark parking lot/street. If someone is trying to get your attention without calling your name. Make sense?

None makes sense. If you are deaf your phone is in your pocket and vibrates and you text, no hearing needed. If someone walks behind you in a dark parking lot and you are not wary enough to keep an eye out the dog can't save you.

Only time that someone would try to get your attention without calling your name is if they knew you to be deaf and they would know to be in your line of sight. (they could not really get a hearies attention that way either.)

CJB · 08-16-2009, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

some people think I am blind and ask if need help finding somrthing!

***VamPyroX*** · 08-16-2009, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

None makes sense. If you are deaf your phone is in your pocket and vibrates and you text, no hearing needed. If someone walks behind you in a dark parking lot and you are not wary enough to keep an eye out the dog can't save you.

Only time that someone would try to get your attention without calling your name is if they knew you to be deaf and they would know to be in your line of sight. (they could not really get a hearies attention that way either.)

Exactly.

Nowadays, people don't even use land lines. They use cell phones. Every single person in my family has a cell phone. All of my friends have cell phones. They also use VP (which usually comes with a flasher). So, why need a dog for that?

As for getting attention, if people know you're deaf... they will get your attention anyways.

I've seen people with hearing service dogs that don't even alert the owner when the owner's name is called. So, do hearing service dogs really alert you when your name is called or is that just an excuse?

FireTiger · 08-19-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

None makes sense. If you are deaf your phone is in your pocket and vibrates and you text, no hearing needed. If someone walks behind you in a dark parking lot and you are not wary enough to keep an eye out the dog can't save you.

Only time that someone would try to get your attention without calling your name is if they knew you to be deaf and they would know to be in your line of sight. (they could not really get a hearies attention that way either.)

As a 'puppy raiser for SouthEastern Guide Dog" I disagree...

A 'bad guy/gal' is NOT going to attack my blind friend and her German Shepard Guide Dog... but might attack her if she is using a cane.

Get it?

It happens, alot to people that are 'obviously' disabled- my mom got attacked once too- (she won the fight).

Yeah you could say, "Well what if he/she has a gun?" Well that would take two bullets instead of one and service animals when working count as humans.

whatdidyousay! · 08-19-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MySolace

Ummm, I can think of many reasons a hearing dog would be useful in public places. If your phone rings, the dog can alert you. If someone calls your name, if someone is walking behind you in a dark parking lot/street. If someone is trying to get your attention without calling your name. Make sense?

Yes, this does make sense! My dog let me know when my name is called at a doctor office! And he let me know when a car is behind me or if someone opened or close a door , this way I know what is going on around me ! It help me feel safer knowing someone is near me incase they're up to no good!
I was once jumped by 2 men as I did not hear them walking behind me! When I lived in Boston , Mass a person told that some guy been following me and I never heard the guy! I wish I had a hearing dog then!

Bottesini · 08-19-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FireTiger

As a 'puppy raiser for SouthEastern Guide Dog" I disagree...

A 'bad guy/gal' is NOT going to attack my blind friend and her German Shepard Guide Dog... but might attack her if she is using a cane.

Get it?

It happens, alot to people that are 'obviously' disabled- my mom got attacked once too- (she won the fight).

Yeah you could say, "Well what if he/she has a gun?" Well that would take two bullets instead of one and service animals when working count as humans.

Did you really say "get it?" to me?

I am deaf and blind in one eye. So yes I get it. If you want protection, pepper spray is a lot more use than a hearing dog.

Bottesini · 08-19-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FireTiger

As a 'puppy raiser for SouthEastern Guide Dog" I disagree...

A 'bad guy/gal' is NOT going to attack my blind friend and her German Shepard Guide Dog... but might attack her if she is using a cane.

Get it?

It happens, alot to people that are 'obviously' disabled- my mom got attacked once too- (she won the fight).

Yeah you could say, "Well what if he/she has a gun?" Well that would take two bullets instead of one and service animals when working count as humans.

And while we are on the subject of guide dogs, a blind friend of mine had thugs run his dog over while he was on the way to the bus stop.

He realized something had happened when she wasn't moving forward, so bent down and found her struggling to rise and work. She died.

People with a dog are still very vulnerable.

whatdidyousay! · 08-19-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by etalton

Jeesh, "Normal" people can be so stupid. I can think of five different types of service dogs right off that bat, not just for the blind or the deaf, but for those with epilepsy, anxiety, physical disabilities too. If the dog is "on duty" and wearing the appropriate "service animal" garb, no one has the right to dispute the animal being there. Each dog is doing what it is trained to do. Heck, I have even seen a case where this guy had a seeing eye pony...one of those miniature ones, and those with physical disabilities use monkeys. You do what you need to do to live life to the fullest!

I have heard about service dogs for people with alzheimer.
The dog is trained to help a person get back home if they get lost while taking a walk! The person just have to say "Home" and the dog bring them back home! Now dogs are being trained for wounded vets coming home from the war. NEADS is training dogs for the vets. I ran into a woman and she was telling me that she saw a miniature seeing eye horse on an airplane!
That had to been a trip!

FireTiger · 08-19-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

Did you really say "get it?" to me?

I am deaf and blind in one eye. So yes I get it. If you want protection, pepper spray is a lot more use than a hearing dog.

Wow- tone doesn't translate in type, didn't mean to offend you-

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Based on what statistics?- most schools only train medium to large dogs for service (Guidedogs, Seeing-eye, South Eastern Guide, Fidelco ... most of these programs have programs that train dogs for other services, like mobility, balance, medication, hearing, and other jobs entirely like arson, drug, bomb, cadaver, serch and rescue.)

I understand why some people prefer a dog.

You have said over and over you do not understand.

Pepper spray will not warn you if someone is behind you... ever.

some people do not have the mobility or possibly the vision to pay attention to everything that happens around them, an extra set of senses are useful to this.

All kinds of accidents/bad things happen. The point is that sometimes the dogs are trained to signal for help, help a person walk, see a soundless or nearly soundless car (electric), hear a siren or approaching person, or warn then that they should take their seizure suppress meds because they are about to have a seizure.

Bottesini · 08-20-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FireTiger

Wow- tone doesn't translate in type, didn't mean to offend you-

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Based on what statistics?- most schools only train medium to large dogs for service (Guidedogs, Seeing-eye, South Eastern Guide, Fidelco ... most of these programs have programs that train dogs for other services, like mobility, balance, medication, hearing, and other jobs entirely like arson, drug, bomb, cadaver, serch and rescue.)

I understand why some people prefer a dog.

You have said over and over you do not understand.

Pepper spray will not warn you if someone is behind you... ever.

some people do not have the mobility or possibly the vision to pay attention to everything that happens around them, an extra set of senses are useful to this.

All kinds of accidents/bad things happen. The point is that sometimes the dogs are trained to signal for help, help a person walk, see a soundless or nearly soundless car (electric), hear a siren or approaching person, or warn then that they should take their seizure suppress meds because they are about to have a seizure.

On the bolded, WHAT???? And this thread is about hearing dogs, so I think it is getting derailed.

"Pepper spray will not warn you if someone is behind you... ever. "

But it is a damn site more likely to disable my assailant than a service dog, which is not an attack or defense dog.

FireTiger · 08-20-2009, 02:16 AM

When allowing any service dog into that, fidelco allows 'failed' police dogs into the program - most of these fail true for lack of aggression but several have defended their handlers because the bond is so close.
....
Going back through the 6 pages or so it seems that I misinterpreted the time that you said 'it didn't make sense' (#137) as a standard for your opinion- I guess I misremembered or something.
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so have both (dog/pepper) if you want or neither.
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BTW why does it matter what 'type' deaf (birth/early/late in life/ HoH) person has a hearing dog?

---
Anyhow its very early in the morning now- I'll go off to bed soon before I do any more damage.

melissa · 10-27-2009, 01:39 PM

This isn't about service dogs per se, but is an anecdote from my dad.

He wear prescription sunglasses, and was out shopping one day, with the family dog. He went into a shoe shop, as he saw no sign on the door saying dogs were forbidden. He looked around at the shoes, and the dog lay down on the floor. There is a young shop assistant adjusting the shoes on the shelves. She sees the dog and says 'I'm sorry, dogs aren't allowed in here.' then looks up at my dad and sees him wearing his dark sunglasses then stutters 'Oh but err except for guide dogs of course.'

My dad had to restrain from laughing, mostly because our dog is a Springer Spaniel, wears no jacket or coat of any sort, and was asleep on the floor!

I thought it showed how little awareness people do have of service dogs- I know that they're usually, but not always, labradors, and have yellow reflective jackets. They also tend to be alert and awake!

dogmom · 10-28-2009, 10:14 AM

melissa, your story reminds me of one....

one day hubby and I were driving past the dealership where we purchased one of the vehicles. We had been discussing previously going in there with some questions and since we were driving by, we thought, why not stop now? We happened to be driving back from vet with one of the dogs - our Black Lab. We went and asked about bringing dog in and explained we were customers, driving by, etc . They asked - what kind dog? <I knew they would and that if we had had a Rottie - due to people's misperceptions, the odds are that SHE would not have been allowed in the shop

> So we tell them and they're like, okay bring him <to waiting area> So I go with our boy and sit quietly with him, after getting him situated in Down on floor. We have car-riding harnesses <canine seatbelts> for all the dogs because the crates only fit in one of the vehicles and driving around w/loose dog in car is not safe for people or dog>. The car-riding harness and the working harnesses used for service dogs can look similar enough to people who are not familiar - they just see "harness" and think "guide dog" I'm looking at magazines and he's laying quietly as people are walking around him and stepping over him to get at magazines, coffee, etc. This was when I was hearing more, and I heard someone say to "watch the blind lady". And if I moved around, like to use bathroom or re-position him or when we left, people are stepping out of the way...

dogmom · 10-28-2009, 10:16 AM

it was kinda interesting....but I did tell them he's not a service dog, that's just his harness for in the car-

08-09-2009, 07:27 PM	#125 (permalink)
souggy Ace Attorney Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 2,379	I notice a lot of people talk about allergies here, and I notice there's a few indirect references to their dogs being hypo-allergenic: I do have to bring this up, different people have different allergies. Some are allergic to fur and dander. Others are allergic to saliva, animal wastes and so on. I have a Shiba Inu, who I left with my parents, most people who are allergic to fur and dander are fine around him. However the people who are allergic to dog saliva get a reaction, while they are fine around most dogs, because Shiba Inu are self-cleaning dogs and often lick themselves. I, myself? I am allergic to animal wastes. I can't be around cats that play in their litterboxes, dogs that roll in their own wastes and so on which seems to be a large majority of people's pets out there. So, yeah, a poodle may be hypo-allergenic, but I still can't be around them if they are NOT the type that are spot-trained and are cleaned up immediately after they defecate. There are many other dog- and cat-specific allergies out there that you may not know about, which require some "thinking-out-of-the-box" here. This is coming from a guy who love playing with dogs, and bend down to pet stray cats. __________________ Souggy's Blog Warning! Contains skewed comments & inane ramblings. May cause spontaneous human combustion

08-09-2009, 09:53 PM	#129 (permalink)
Dodge Trucker Can't DODGE it? RAM IT! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Good Ol' KC Posts: 197	Talking about being snob...every time we go to Wally World or our local grocery store..when my wife is in front of cashier (shes deaf) and I am emptying out the cart with whatever onto conveyor belt..I watch what cashier say to my wife like "hello..how you" etc etc MY wife doesnt pay attention some times and since the cashier doesnt get a response..they give an ugly face while wife is looking away. I then go up to cashier and tell him/her "shes fully deaf..she couldnt hear you telling her (whatever she said)" then I immediately tell my wife what she said. You should see the embarrassement on the cashiers face. Gets them every time. Same is true for when my wife is in food aisle and some one tries to pass or get something besids my wife or in front of my wife. I then tell em she cant hear you. Every time they apologize to either me or the wife. __________________ Respect everyone's opinion. Don't like their opinion? LIVE WITH IT!!

08-10-2009, 08:15 AM	#134 (permalink)
shel90 In a pink and black world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the free Posts: 24,016 Blog Entries: 3	Ihave been called a snob or get people angry at me. It used to bother me so much before but now, I dont give a rat's ass to what people think of me anymore. I cant make everyone happy so why get upset over it. I just move on. __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

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08-09-2009, 06:54 PM	#124 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,469	I think it is not up to me to judge whether another person requires a alert/service dog or not. I have no problem with legitimate service dogs in places of business. I did some volunteer work for a while working w/assistance dogs in training, taking them to public places.

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FireTiger Panthera tigris phenoixi Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Arl, Jax, NE-FL, SE-USA, Earth, Solar System, Milky Way Galaxy, Local Group, Universe A, Mutiverse 1 Posts: 73	When allowing any service dog into that, fidelco allows 'failed' police dogs into the program - most of these fail true for lack of aggression but several have defended their handlers because the bond is so close. .... Going back through the 6 pages or so it seems that I misinterpreted the time that you said 'it didn't make sense' (#137) as a standard for your opinion- I guess I misremembered or something. ... so have both (dog/pepper) if you want or neither. ... BTW why does it matter what 'type' deaf (birth/early/late in life/ HoH) person has a hearing dog? --- Anyhow its very early in the morning now- I'll go off to bed soon before I do any more damage.

10-27-2009, 01:39 PM	#148 (permalink)
melissa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Cheshire, UK. Posts: 188	This isn't about service dogs per se, but is an anecdote from my dad. He wear prescription sunglasses, and was out shopping one day, with the family dog. He went into a shoe shop, as he saw no sign on the door saying dogs were forbidden. He looked around at the shoes, and the dog lay down on the floor. There is a young shop assistant adjusting the shoes on the shelves. She sees the dog and says 'I'm sorry, dogs aren't allowed in here.' then looks up at my dad and sees him wearing his dark sunglasses then stutters 'Oh but err except for guide dogs of course.' My dad had to restrain from laughing, mostly because our dog is a Springer Spaniel, wears no jacket or coat of any sort, and was asleep on the floor! I thought it showed how little awareness people do have of service dogs- I know that they're usually, but not always, labradors, and have yellow reflective jackets. They also tend to be alert and awake!

10-28-2009, 10:14 AM	#149 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,469	melissa, your story reminds me of one.... one day hubby and I were driving past the dealership where we purchased one of the vehicles. We had been discussing previously going in there with some questions and since we were driving by, we thought, why not stop now? We happened to be driving back from vet with one of the dogs - our Black Lab. We went and asked about bringing dog in and explained we were customers, driving by, etc . They asked - what kind dog? <I knew they would and that if we had had a Rottie - due to people's misperceptions, the odds are that SHE would not have been allowed in the shop > So we tell them and they're like, okay bring him <to waiting area> So I go with our boy and sit quietly with him, after getting him situated in Down on floor. We have car-riding harnesses <canine seatbelts> for all the dogs because the crates only fit in one of the vehicles and driving around w/loose dog in car is not safe for people or dog>. The car-riding harness and the working harnesses used for service dogs can look similar enough to people who are not familiar - they just see "harness" and think "guide dog" I'm looking at magazines and he's laying quietly as people are walking around him and stepping over him to get at magazines, coffee, etc. This was when I was hearing more, and I heard someone say to "watch the blind lady". And if I moved around, like to use bathroom or re-position him or when we left, people are stepping out of the way...

10-28-2009, 10:16 AM	#150 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,469	it was kinda interesting....but I did tell them he's not a service dog, that's just his harness for in the car-