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OK i had to step in just to let you know my dog is not a hearing dog but she knew i was deaf, so she doesnt bark at me, and doesn't growl she PAWS me when she needs to go outside and then she runs in and sits next to me which means someones at my drive way, i have a VERY loud little poi name maxi oh she YAPS until someone comes up and clams her down. so shes my alert dog in a way she knows im deaf but have some redsuial hearing in a sense. she can echo a house so fast that i'll wonder wtf that was she knows how to get my attention too with a nudge or whining right next to my ear imagine that.... maxi and lilo trained on sense knowing someone in the household is Deaf and will alert anyone... they stay next to me when my parents or friends arent around. so this helps me feel safe yet alerted as well... they all know sign to sit, pee/poo, and down and i blow the whistle for them to come to me when i need them to come they go running off to the jungle to do thier business. other than that thier a happy go lucky dogs who go everywhere with me, i can handle myself inside the store. and u know what i dropped my keys one time and lilo WOULDN'T move i was like huh come on she wont budge so i she sniffed at the ground and i followed her head, and saw i had dropped my keys and i say good girl. she knows how to do these and thats my Aloha Dog!!!!
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okay let me explain about LAWS for hearing, companion, assistance and Seeing dogs...
From what i know since i have companion Dog nothing else which was being approved by doctor s prescription.. after my full exam.. hearing and seeing and assistance usually being trained by agency dont all you agree? they gave them certified.. My dog is" companion dog" which is not "certified" because he has not gone thru agency training since they refused WILLING to help me train him learn part hearing training all they said to me for me to replace my dog and get theirt choice dog.. which i refused.. i preferred MY DOG INSTEAD OF THEIRS because i feelt comfortable around him i like his doings.. but its okay if he dont get certified i aint complaining.. BUT he cant go in any buildings no matter what because of not being "cerfiried" my dog is only being approved by doctor of mine.. I couldnt explain why but truth is its about YOU and your comfort .. sometimes people doesnt give any respect .. as for dogs.. honestly dogs really something else you wouldnt know what they know this minute you get him.. ITS ABOUT LOVE AND TRUST.. as for CI and dogs or cats i call them being self centered people which its truth.... if you love yourself being deaf like chit happens but move on.. comeon its same thing to animals if they just happen like this love them no matter what they are just same as you.. dont ya see ? how can i explain? |
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If you have written statement from doctor your service dog may go ANY WHERE you go! Point blank! LMM has friends that trained their dog to be their service dog for them. They order specail pack.. One of friends even made there pack, Which is legal if your dog is a service dog. Now if you don't have written staement from a doctor then you can be fine for false statement of service dog. Hearing dogs you may not just go to pet store to buy specail color leash. You have order these leashes from specail company! This way people just can't go to pet store buy leash & say my dog's a hearing dog! Same with guild dog's handle leash . LMM do know her laws about her dog. She keep up to date with org. On about new laws & rights for them. Her dog doesn't always wear her pack. LMM will have her card in hand , incase someone stop them. She show law book. But after see her card, Most time she don't have trouble. Believe me one who do make fuss, She go into detail about laws & rights. LMM |
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before you started accuse me of making false statements.... dont ever asume until you ask me nicely.. who say i go store and get him collar and service coat??? i know i never say that and i actually do have prescpription from doctor.. my dog dont have service collar or anything... my advice for you before yous tep up and start accuse someone.. ask first before you start anything that way you will know which facts which aint... |
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Sighs! I have to say this because it bothers me to see this terminology of Hearing Dog as a MEDICAL issue. I feel offended by this because it makes the sounds that we are having a disease in our deafness and so helpless. It s reminds me of being so control by this kind of attitude that you are trying to do those animals alike what people did it to our d/Deaf children 's true identity and our hands to be tied. Thats not a Love and Bond relationship.
It s too limitation for us deafies with oral speaking only at home or mainstream school alike it doesnt allow me who I am with my own dog whatever I can give my love to a dog. It s no such a thing about being independent to have a "Hearing Dog". After all you have HA and CI devices. I dont understand why do I need it while I am legally deaf with no hearing aid and can speak good. Thats enough for me to do all that dirty work for them because I feel that they need to work with us. No matter what you like it or not! I wont mind to pay for the dog license for rabies. That would be enough for me to pay some of it while I can train my own dog that I love very much.. Dog has the right to feel free to be him/herself with a good discipline like d/Deaf children's true identity. It doesnt cost too much for deafies. Everything you charged that is outrageous because we do not deserve to enable hearing people to make money after our deafies invented their own ideas. It is not belong to you (hearing people) but make a greedy money on us that turns me off in a big time. We have to get the prescription from the Doctor who is nice enough to use that terminology Compansion dog. That is audist attitude s rules after all we are legally deaf all our lives as they knew. So what is your point for us to pay expenses to make you rich and has still not succeed to accept me and other deafies as A legally deaf with no hearing aid yet. They are so clever that they are trying to make us disappear that we are capable to be independent in this society because we are a big survival group. Hearing dog and Hearing Product are the purpose for hearing people who have their hearing loss. They dont think of us for that reason . They dont want you to feel good about yourself. Thats turns me off in a big time. Something need to be change the attitude that they could say Deaf Products and Communication accessories.. that would be more respectful to use the terminology Deaf as well. People will learn and understand how to accept themselves when they are with any deafies in this society. There is no reason to hide the terminology of "Deaf". Too much Hearing Hearing that turns me off. Thats why I felt so offended by the whole thing here. I am Deaf and proud of it. Nothing to be ashamed of your own deafness. Oh well somebody gotta to say.. ![]() Take care! Sweetmind |
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First of all my point is about not being helpless is well made. Also "every way to be independent" doesnt mean that every way is proper. And you are abusing to yourself that people thinks that u are not independent. What a joke! Guess what : I could rob banks in order to " be independent" does that make robbing banks the right thing to do??? I think it s funny the way it seems to be. My opinion of " hearing dogs" are that they are needed.. Deaf are visual and use vision to check things out.. There are flashing lights for doorbells, vibrating alarm clocks, etc etc u can name it.. A " hearing dog gives the message that the person is disabled. Things can be done like rearranging furniture so that the deafie sees the doorway. However some deaf-blind could use the dog but not just a hearing dog. Many blind do not have dogs, so they are not needed. Many d/Deaf obviously do not have hearing dogs. So it's not needed for a deafie. Also having the hearing dog, the deafie DEPENDS on the dog for stuff, they themselves can do. Right, and you dont need a dog!!! I do well without a dog. I know deafies who drive and do other stuff without a stupid hearing dog. A dog deaf is not needed. We can do other things such as pay attention to what's going on by our feelings that we have the right to adaption our deafness if you mind. It seems to me that hearing people with audist attitude does not know a fricking thing about deafies getting by without the dog. Deafies got by before hearing dogs were even thought of. If you mind we have the right to have a companion dog for our protection as well as for hearing people too. So I know some hearing people are terrified with the noise pollution and couldnt figure it out what s it .. So they have the companion dog that will help them too for health reason that I can accept that. Some deafies are being so selfish and greedy after all they think they are not disabed I m too confused to figure this out why would they thumb down on everything that we deafies tried to do for the better role model of being legally deaf into a very positive outlookl. So that way we can help hearing parents to change the negtive views about us and our hands instead of forcing those d/Deaf children to speak alone. There are still out there in this society people have no respect for d/Deaf children s rights and our Deaf languages. I think I got all figured this out that oralist are saying they are not disables yet. They want stuff like the Hearing dog which makes them disabled. I find these people who are lost in space and doesnt know what they are talking about. This is a real good reason for Hearing and d/Deaf - blind need to have a hearing/sighted dog. They cannot see or hear with their devices that are still not functionally hearing. The money issue that hearing people make money on us for years and years. Our deafies who invented/ created that it make the difference for Hearing and Deaf people to have a good relationship and good communication. And Hearing people abused deafies in many ways because Deaf community is a very poor financial crisis. They stole everything that we deafies did it on our own independent. You dont give a damn about us deafies with ASL and their strongest independent in the past. Since we have d/Deaf - Blind or Vision impairment people have their rights to have ASL that they used a tactlie sign language relates to ASL in this society as well as they are the one part of our diversity if you mind. NO wonder it s easy way for audist attitude to destroy our independent. I find this is a real outrageous. If they do not think they are disabled then why would they want something that a "disabled" person would have??? Would a Hearing person have a hearing dog?? I THINK NOT. Thats why I said Deaf dog (lol) that does not match tho. d/Deaf children in todays are very lucky to have all Deaf products that we can be equal communication and can be very independent than depend on Hearing 's help if you mind. I find a lot of hearing people dont bother to buy Deaf products in this society because it s too expensive for them which I don t blame them. So it has not change much today's. Other thing is I feel if Hearing want to communicate with us so therefore get their arses to learn ASL instead of depend on interpreter that we dont have to take the responsibility to communicate for their sake. So therefore they are not independent or respect deafies in this society. Many audist attitude doesnt want to pay for it because it s way too expensive to hire the interpreter. So therefore why do we still have a problem with our orally speaking every single day? It doesnt make any sense for all d/Deafies must speak in their deaf voices or listening the devices that makes u as functionally hearing. So are we responsibility for their barrier of communication while we didnt ?. Many people dont like the relay to call or having a interpreter on the job or anywhere else. So heck with you after all I have worked so hard to learn how to speak from my deaf vocal and hands to speak for hearing people. So what do deafies get? NOTHING in many ways. We all are still SUFFER for nothing and giving it too much for them so what about us and our needs that is necessary for ASL as one language and Signed English as one language that most deafies are using PSE with orally speaking .. So why do we need all that artificial languages at first place? They are making money as well as it screw deafies up badly by audist attitude people. Thats our Deaf Rights if you mind that should be on the record in ADA. It has never done at all. Scoffs! Everything relates to audist attitude that turns me and many deafies off in big time.. Think twice before u are hurting our d/Deaf children s future not to be independent. or unable to have their deaf adaption. I feel so good that I am legally (D)eaf and capable to communicate between Hearing and Deaf people without devices. Have a good day! Sweetmind |
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It s so sad to see this happens.. So you knew better not to get on the track that is the rule. So Dont need to point that out for the whole reason for it.. So We do not need a hearing dog but companion dog that will help for everyone if they wish to have a companion dog that does give a good natural thing for you. No big deal to point that out on d/Deaf people only.. Thanks! I dont need a artificial hearing dog. I rather to have a companion dog as a human being.
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Oh man, I will be very very upset and outspoken about it. It will be too much distraction for deafies in the classroom while dog doesnt sit still like a statue. I couldnt not see how could everyone demand to have a hearing dog in the classrooms that is their right to have it.. So where is my right not letting anyone to have their dogs in the classrooms. It will more more creative problems that is not necessary. Thats why I dont agree with a hearing dog law completely. I feel that d/Deaf- Blind or Vision impairment has their right to have their hearing/sighted dog. It s a very good reason for them to have it while we do not have a very good reason to have this kind of law. U can get the prescription for a companion dog from the Doctor who is willing to do it for you. Thanks! Pek ![]() Sweetmind |
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CAN you imagine that all deaf people have a dog in the classrooms?? oh please?.. We deafies are not that helpless as you think .. thank you
Well I can see people disrespect for deafies who is very easily distraction by a little thing that moves. If you mind! Thats what HA did this to me and wire up in my eyes/ brain works. I do not hear one sound in the room but many sounds I heard that it s a noisy pollution and pain in the butt. Sighs! Thats interfere my learning process.. Audist attitude peopel dont know a shyte about us deafies thats including doctor,too. Also I didnt like interpreter in the classroom very well if you mind.. Thats why I prefer ASL teacher in the classroom that makes me get going to learn more than force me to read their lips or listen those stupid devices while many hearing teacher doesnt sign too well and have a gutter sign language that relates to artitifical languages SCoffs!.. It gets me falling asleep as usual. SIGHS again. Again I didnt have my rights at all that what it pissed me off after all people have no respect my and deafies needs or our rights. I m using my importance of my eyes and hands as always that works for me you dont mind. I didnt have my rights. I will not use my deaf voices with other deaf voices because I am not hearing or functionlly hearing. Thank you! I feel being so rude for any deafies speak only while I am around. Thats the same concept with hearing people. So there! I m not just saying that the dog moves around. Dog's sneeze or lick their paws .. stuff like that.. thats normal typical for dog. You cannot make them not to move at all. For god s sake. Please stop using your own excuses.! Thank you! Sweetmind |
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I have a hearing dog and am proud of it. You drop your keys you go ahead and search for them cause when I drop mine I know instantly and I don't have to spend hours looking for them. When an ambulance suddenly turns up behind me I know it before it gets there and have ample time to pull over. Using my hearing dog is my life choice and I love it. When the baby wakes up I know it instantly. Don't need a monitor that I can't hear, got one with four legs that comes gets me. Not to mention that with his bright orange vest it is announcing I'm hearing impaired. I'm not hiding anything. For those of you that don't have a hearing dog and don't want one, I don't mind. So, why should you mind if I have one? My dog is better behaved than most people's kids. And, until we leave a table, most people don't even know he is there. The ADA says I have the right to work with a service dog and their laws apply to everyone, even deaf people who disagree with my right to have him. So quit squawking and get over it. Having my hearing dog doesn't make me any less deaf, just makes it easier for me to function. My choice, my right and I exercise that right freely.
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ha ha I can understand it very well.. Guess what!! Hearing people keep losing their coins or pens or dollars everywhere that I can find every day ,meanwhile I go for a walk or go to the store. They do not hear it because of too much noise pollution out there.
![]() Of course it s your rights to have a dog which is fine but dont make a big deal out of it. I feel insulted by this kind of audist attitude who thinks we cant cant for being ourselves as a legally deaf. NO wonder audist attitude screwed us up for not having our Deaf adaption that makes u so helpless. Thats their excuse to destroy our d/Deaf adaption that works for us better than depend on those materialism that doesnt help u 100 percent.. Adaption is the answer that you can deal with everyday of our lives. NO One is gonna to make me for not what I am what they want me to do all the time.. I am not a dog to follow your or their oral sides only if you dont mind. Thank you! ![]() Sweetmind |
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Mind your own damn business whatever I can feel to speak it freely with my own expression feelings that is very honest for me to feel. I am not gonna to pretend everything is so good about Audist attitude people. MIND YOU! You have no right to tell me what to do what I think or I feel that when a hearing teacher does that to deafies in their writings because they couldnt express anything because we all are wrong wrong wrong that is a huge problem of being self centered of theirs. No wonder many d/deaf/ HOH oralists have their English written problem because they couldnt able to do anything how they feels or thinks of our own opinions. That's explain that we dont like the feeling you are being so control over me and my feelings and thoughts.. TOUGH LUCK !!! Sighs! That reminds me of a man from germany, or from Iraq s attitudes. boy it IS so much alike audist attitude people.
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After I quit HA and have been reading the books alot more than I used to that helps me to write my own improvements. Also I can understand ASL better than English itself alone from the start that I was struggled with for years and year because I do not even understand their rules. It s very hard to learn English structure because every day everybody dont write ENGLISH to be ordered anymore.. Second language and SLANG languages that I have seen so many times. Also I have edited so many times and sometimes I just heck with it after the first original post reply for a reason.
I dont have to have the audist attitude s thinking or feelings for us anymore. I have my rights what or how I feel about many things that I am legally deaf. Thats fact. OH how interesting!!! Mookie. I did the best I could notice my mistakes and worked so hard on my writings for 8 years in DeafNotes that helps me to improve my English written and feel it freely to express without anyone stop me from what I strongly believe in myself. Sighs! IQ EMOTIONAL Abuse can affect many deafies for not able to open up their own true thoughts and inner true souls. There are so many interfere their learning process because we are not allowed to say this or that because of their own opinion whlie it snt mine.. Scoffs!. After all those years audist attitude people who had been bashing me for having my improvement english written in DeafNotes.. So whats that supposed to be? I worked my butt off to make the difference if you mind. I did it myself. Guess what I feel insulted by your bringing up about my English written because you refused to accept d/Deaf people can do while they have ASL in their lives. And my rights is to use my eyes and hands that I can learn better than depends on my ears if it s okay with you.. Thank you! ![]() Sweetmind |
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You are an assertive woman! You are right about how no one can tell you what to do. Nobody is telling you what to do when it comes to using ASL, writing English, criticizing audists-- the list goes on. You, after all, are your own person with your own mind. Right? Don't let all the hurtful comments get to you. They'll only dig deeper in your wounds. |
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Hi me_punctured Good evening! Ms or Mr Or Miss me_punctured. (devilish grins)
Many thanks! I appreciate this so much. Yes you are a damn right. The only thing is that I can explain about (ed) It s somewhat confusion for me in the past until I found out from a Deaf person with a very good English written.. For an simple example that i can explain: I am interest(ed) that means THAT s me who is very interested into something .. I watch(ed) so it also means I have already watched that movie before so it tells me the difference between the past verb tense and noun that goes with past verb tense that I didnt understand from the start. I am still learning all the way without depends on the sound or listening the devices. So therefore it proves that I am not fricking lazy because I am legally deaf. Shrugs!!! Also I have a learning disability and delexia in numbers that I never knew I had it for years and years.. Now I can understand what s the problem I have now.. I am not functionally hearing with HA so it makes sense that doesnt help me to hear or read their different kind of lip movement 100 percent and too much gutter language that relates to artitifical languages everything they said in the classrooms.. Oh boy I hate that old headphone that I was forced to wear when I was a kid.. It s annoyance and painful to listen with. JEEZ!!! The problem is that the sound makes me feel like shaky my eyes or wire up my brain that doesnt get thru .. I just being left out like a block thinking and cannot learn with oral method itself only. Can you believe I went through all those years inside and outside of the school. They just pushed me into it too much on oral method itself that is not gonna to help me in a big time.. I would say it helps in my survival life with hearing people that I have no choice to make.. Most of time I write down on paper to avoid the misunderstanding or cause the trouble between me and them in the conversation. It s slow us down and doesnt make a person like a reader who will motivated to have a great communication with me because they dont want to bother to write down. So what can I do about it? Its nt my fault to have the barrier of communication as well.. It s not all about me as a failure legally deaf person with ASL. ![]() I am interest(ed) that means THAT is me who is very interested into something .. I watch(ed) so it also means I have already watched that movie before so it tells me the difference between the past verb tense and noun that goes with past verb tense that I didnt understand from the start. I am still learning all the way without depends on the sound or listening the devices. So therefore it proves that I am not fricking lazy because I am legally deaf. Shrugs!!! I just did the best I can do what I can. ![]() Smile! Sweetmind |
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Sweetmind, people with disabilities have right to bring their own service animal anywhere they wish. Without ADA, any business forbids any blind individual with their well trained dog. What about the rights of deaf individual with other disabilities? They do rely on their services from the animals in order to assist their aware. What if there is no digital technology for this century. I bet you would require for the trained dog or probably a miniature pot-belly pig which has higher intelligent than any dog. Never know if you may need one as a highly intelligent companion in future. Naturally, it is much better than hearing aids. Moreover, it would be your best friend You are jumping the conclusion too swiftly that you easily misunderstood my earlier comment. I am profoundly deaf and fluent in ASL. What makes you think that I advocate the hearing world? Of course, I have my responsibility to educate the hearies at work about my deaf social and sensitive culture If there is no ADA for this century, you and I would not be met for this Deaf forum. That is correct, and it is a long highway to fight for the deaf rights. I am not insulting about your written language. Please keep your improvement written. Maybe you will be ready to have PhD degree in another decade.... |
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Please forgive me for having my reaction about it.. I didnt say you did insulting me but I feel offend someone who brings up about my english written after all they dont have any respect for my hardwork effort to make the difference for myself in late age in the past few years or have their thumb down on deafies s writing that s when deafies s attitude says 'Wont learn no more" or "Heck with people s rudeness". it s really hurt deafies feelings badly.. It s not deafies fault.. Thats why I dont treat them like what others did.. Sighs! Since I was using too many artitifical languages that they kept changing it too much at that time when I was a young kid. Thats when and where I got lost from there. Thats why I feel it should be ASL / Signed English as well as it s BiBi in the classroom or at home. That is a very equal opportunity for both sides. I have to say this I will never get PHD degree. It s hard struggle for me with my learning disability .. They expected me to pay the document to have the evidence that I have the learning disability in todays. I decided hell with them because they should been paying for it after they found out the pre evualation test that I do have it in few years ago when I was in college at that time. I spent a lot of hours and hours to study that burned me out. It s not easy for me to deal with.. ![]() Smile! ![]() Sweetmind PS: it takes a lot of practice to learn how to read and write, however I prefer on the computer so it s much easier to edit than writing /edit on the paper. Thats where I found my own comfort writing fon the keyboard with a big monitor like 20 inches so I can see and read it better.
Last edited by Sweetmind; 03-14-2006 at 06:19 PM. |
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