Sweetmind

????????? Wow it s so unbelievable. My concern is about the Hearing Dog's law. I dont want to see anybody to abuse it. I dont believe every d/Deaf person needs that because they love dogs. I dont think it s fair for d/Deaf people s need that needs to be done.

I can understand some d/Deaf people have a hearing dog for a very good reason that I can respect very much. Thats their needs. I have no problem with it and dont want to take it away from them.

Okay now, do they provide a very low income d/Deaf people?? I dont think so. It s not a good idea for them to have it unless it is real NECESSARY to have a hearing dog because of $$$$.


Thats what it makes harder to get the law for d/Deaf 's right. You have to remember ADA does not apply for d/Deaf people in many ways.. There are too many getting away with it from those people who have a negative view about the deafness for years and years. So therefore it s no good ADA for us for many reasons. Oh well! open your eyes and think twice before you are saying. The problem is that deafies with negative audist attitude make people thinks u are functionally hearing while you are legally deaf.. Oh Please!! Thats very bigotry attitude toward deafies.

Okay here is my question: So what do you think every parents are doing it for their d/Deaf children who wants a dog? I feel that it s something not right about it.

Number one: Force d/Deaf children to have the HA or CI device and orally speaking that destroy our Deaf adaption from their very early age. So they cannot be deaf as well as it is for a wrong reason.

Number two: Now you are saying HA is not helping some d/Deaf children then created a new device CI. It doesnt even help much anyhow they are legally deaf and capable to hear the sounds like a Hearing aid with a different level sound to gain. Whoppee doo!!! Whats more!!! You think it s the best thing to have oral method only then prove it to me. If so then why would you need a hearing dog while you have hearing aid or CI? I can understand for those people with Ha or CI who have their vision problems that is important for them to have a hearing dog. Thats a very reasonable necessary to have it for them.


Now you want extra aides to have a hearing dog because somebody love a dog. ***Stratch my head** and says whats the heck going on!!! You are asking too much or being so greedy to get everything you want not needs while you have your own CI or HA equipments or Deaf accessories in your home that should be able to help you with Hearing people in many ways but it isnt necessary as far as I know it so. What about us Deaf Needs to have the natural method that works so well for our natural Deaf adaptions? I just dont understand it anymore. What do you want more from us now?

I am Deaf without Hearing Aid device and doesnt need a dog because I am not helpless as those people put us down for what we can do with ASL. I am a natural legally deaf and finally found ASL works for me to understand better and capable to express my true inner soul, mind, and body with between Hearing and Deaf people. It s way much better than your own gutter artificial sign language by hearing and deaf oralism created it and doesnt really accept you for who you are from the start. That gives u a mixed message that you cannot able to do it because you are legally deaf. AND They are making a big $$$$$$$ to conform you and trying to manupilate you for not who we are or what we are.

If I want a typical dog, I ll make sure he knows what I use their good instinct by natural method not trying to control dog's life. Discipline only that I would have done it. Thats not how I treat people like that. Thats what it gives me impression that negative people influenced others how they think it has to be this way while it s very offensive for me. I just dont feel too comfortable about everything for what people s prejudice or discrimination affects us like that. It needs to be stop this abusive going on for years and years.

When will we get the better relationship between Hearing and Deaf? NO more on one sided.

Thats how I get the impression to destroy our d/Deaf children 's true identity and our true language in our American Sign Language to eliminate the term "DEAF" and our hands that makes a huge difference between Hearing and Deaf people with a good attitude.


ASL and Signed English combines altogether as equal that helps us deafies and d/Deaf Blind with their brialle code. You think ASL makes us not to speak our d/Deaf voices. I find this is a real outrageous for you to think that way. I will say it s good to have oral speaking with ASL because it s from word to word that we can understand it better. Thats our oral method survival kit that we need to have the encouragement of fun things to learn which is fine with me but force or conform or manipulate us into a hearing person that is out of the question. Does it makes sense to you? Dont expect us to hear like a hearing people can normally hear or speak well or read their kind of different lip movements 100 percent. Face the Deaf Reality!


I did it all you gave me those tools all those years but I never got ASL in the classrooms if you mind.. I did the best I could do since I was being forced to do this and that with too many artificial languages that does NOT make me understand everything in ENGLISH 100 percent or understand the concept of english language fully. Thats what you did it to me. I have done the best I can do for myself not for you.


I am very discouraged people are abusing d/Deaf children way too much for years and years.. IT NEEDS TO BE STOP. Get on with the natural method of ASL and enjoy with A LOVE and BOND between parents and d/Deaf children that is the most important thing in our life. It is way much better than having all those artificial languages.. Thats our Deaf adaption that it should allow their children to have that chance to be themselves as a Deaf kid first. Sighs! People are hurting you with your own struggles. I will not tolerate this kind of behavior patttern that continue until todays from the past years. So therefore you dont need a hearing dog. That gives me the impression, thats how I see it.

It s all about ATTITUDE AND GREEDY MONEY so they treat us like a puppet that I dont like the feelings at all.

Thats how I am seeing this all over place. I know Truth hurts because I want to stop this crap going on or give too many mixed messages toward d/Deaf children NOW. Ahem! I thought you are not disabled for being deaf.

Hearing Blind and Deaf blind or Vision impairment people does need dogs to quide them when they are independent. It makes sense for a dog to be training for d/Deaf blind's needs.

Are you telling me that I am not independent because I m legally deaf with no vision problem and no hearing aid.? I am too confused to listen your opinions.


for your time to read it.


Sweetmind

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LuvsInk

You are so off topic. This thread was about service dogs and the civil rights of their handlers. I think you should read the thread from the beginning and maybe then you can grasp what we all were talking about. You obviously have an agenda. Why not start your own thread about that. In the meantime, my dog Max and I will keep on truckin.

Sweetmind

I am sorry this is not off topic that I did talking about a dog/ a hearing dog. I can see somebody doesnt get it. what a pity! or what a denial of urs!

I dont feel that someone can walk all over and disadvantage of Vision impairment and Hearing/Deaf Blind 's needs. Just like I dont feel someone can walk all over and use an excuse to disadvantage of ASL to make it look bad tool that people throw it away the best communication between Deaf and Hearing that works so well. Also it helps visual impairment and Deaf blind with ASL while they are using tactile sign language. Why haterd and destroy our true language in ASL?

I am not going to destroy and disadvantage Vision impairment / Deaf bliind s rights and feel it s not right for me as a Deaf person with no visual impairment to use a hearing dog. Thats the purpose for Deaf Blind to have it not for a Deaf people who doesnt really need it because they keep saying "I am not disabled" after all you agree what people with audist attitude to conform us and had done so we can function hearing. Scoffs!

It does not make any sense for anybody with HA and CI device to abuse and take advantage of it that you dont really need to have a hearing dog while u can see well. You said U can hear everything with a device however I THINK NOT!

I feel that it should help d/Deaf Blind people with low income when they need a hearing dog.. Now everything cut off the budget because of stupid President Bush decided to use money for WAR not helping people who need it badly, Dont destroy and abuse that opportunity for Visual Impairment and Deaf Bliind's needs.

As far as I know some d/Deaf blind or visual impairment do not want to have a hearing dog because it s too expensive and too much hassle and work to take care of. So they use the cane. It shows me they are a very strong and independent while u are giving me the impression that Deaf people are having a real double disabled because they dont allow us for being deaf or legally deaf. They are wasting time to push those d/Deaf children all those years after all they are making a huge mistake and hurting d/Deaf children.

I dont feel that d/Deaf children need to depend on the equipment so they can functionally hearing because they have no their rights to be "me", myself' and the whole of me as a Deaf person and our adaption needs. They did it to those d/Deaf children to be helpless for not capable to speak their rights after all.

I dont think Hearing people are gonna to have a Deaf dog because they can hear. **sarcastic** so therefore Deaf people with no vision problem are gonna to have a Hearing Dog because they can see. What the heck going on here!

People took over ASL so they can use the oral method only.. People took over a hearing dog so they can have their rights so they are getting more disabled for not able to adapt their own deafness.. Ahem! I find this is outrageous.

I assume that you are allowed to destroy our Deaf adaption after all you cried out to depend on the materialism all the time that does not really necessary. You are giving the wrong impression about d/Deaf people 's capablities.

Just be careful what u are asking for. Sighs!

Leave it alone s for those needs for their secondary disability. Thanks!

Have a great day!
Sweetmind

Malfoyish

It is a matter of comfort level no matter how you look at it. Personally, I don't have a hearing dog because I function just fine without one. I do have a useless little Pom that pees and shits all over the place and his idea of protection is simply barking when someone comes to the door. As far as intruders, he wouldn't stand a chance.

Anyway - back to what I was saying - if a deaf person feels more secure having a hearing dog, then that's their choice. It doesn't matter if it's necessary or not.

If "a hearing dog" is too expensive to feed, maintain, too much of a hassle to walk, whatever - then guess what? So are cats, so are hamsters and birds, so are fish, etc. Point is, people take animals into their homes because they WANT to. Caring for any animal - pet or not - is a long-time commitment. Personally, no, I don't think it's mandatory (maybe that's a better word than 'necessary') to have a hearing dog if the person is comfortable without one.

Now, the original topic pertains to RIGHT to keep the dog - If the person is deaf, then yes, they have every right to fight to keep the dog legally as an aid to them. If they FEEL they need one, then who are we to judge?

I'd recommend a good disability lawyer if this is the case with the person who is having issues with keeping her hearing dog. I wish ya luck!

PS - Sweetmind - since friggin' WHEN does it matter if your eyesight is good? Is that going to help you when you're sleeping and someone breaks into your home? No, it won't. Is it going to help you when your back is turned? Again, no. My advice to you is to get your head out of your ass and try to consider other people's opinions for a change. You may have your own opinions, but that doesn't "necessarily" mean other people have to see it your way.

Sweetmind

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You are making a big deal out of it since it 's the same thing happens to Hearing people even they have a dog. Someone can stabbing the dogs or poison the dogs that doesnt know what's it in there that you cannot see. There are no way to prevent that happens 100 percent. "RME" It is not a perfect world that we live in since they dont have any respect for people s life itself.

Nice try! My advise to you is to look up your own mirror and say it aloud for me, please since it s your words not mine. I cannot hear you very well that you need to say it out louder that still strikes you back again.

Keep that up please!

Sweetmind

We actually dont really need a hearing dog because we have the advanced technology now like flashing light phone, flashing light doorbell, flashing light fire/ smoke alarm and etc etc as you name it.

Okay now, The dogs have their sharp senses that a person is deaf and protect her/him. Thats a very strong instinct that it has been a very natural feelings. Dog knows it very quickly.

I was raised on a farm when I was a little girl. I didnt have any Deaf accessories at that time except Hearing Aid device / batteries (rme). At that time, I was not functionally hearing and I am still not functionally hearing in today's . Keep that in your mind. I loved dogs very much.

1. Someone knocked the door meanwhile he jumped off the floor and ran to the door so I know someone is there or it might be nobody whatever a dog heard something.

2. I was being a good mischievous gal with my dog. I was making a noise as I just wanted to see if he hear something and get the right direction that the sound comes from. He knew where the sound comes from. Thats when I had learned to love and bond with my dogs because those dogs and I have a great communication with body language / facial expression that relates to ASL without my knowledge at that time. Also, I had seen a dog to understand a person who signed ASL to it. Thats when it hits me hard and realized it a while ago and wish I could have ASL thats work so well at that time.

3. One dog from my neighborhood, it was so afraid of me because of my deafness. I was shocked at that dog. I tried to pat him meanwhile he doesn't want me to touch him. I respect that. Thats what I realized it now from the past.

4. My mom called for me from outside that my dog did guiding me to the house. It was not even close to my house because I knew mom wanted me to come in the house. Wow, I never thought of it myself until someone brought up about a hearing dog few years ago.

5. I find this is real interesting that I was talking to someone who had a dog and lived on the farm.. She said her dog knew where she was at meanwhile her mom followed the dog.

Now you see what I am saying. Those dogs are so amazing that doesnt really need to train.. I rather to follow up with their natural instinct since it s somewhat free training cost I am not paying for them ( I ll tell you why later). Something that we deafies can teach in appropriate behavior ourselves that is no big deal. We can do it ourselves.

Thats why I dont feel like I am too disabled as you think it is disability on deafness.. I m really confused with you people who cried out about * Deafness is not disability. Thats the whole point here that it strikes me hard. Now u want a hearing dog because u are legally deaf. AHEM!!! ...


following it up

Sweetmind

I can understand for Latened Deaf s struggle to adapt their deafness. Thats a very reasonable for her or him to have it. I respect that because she or he is dealing with a big step to change from hearing to deaf. It s tough case. As for me, I m used to it since I was born deaf.

Also ASL does the work for all of us , hearing parents , d/Deaf oralist, H/D babies, Dogs, monkey, and you can name it. People can teach dog with ASL with no doubt. That's a real remarkable true language. That's our greatest gifts that is a very reason for us to have ASL. It doesnt show a very low intellectual or poor social skills if you mind.

Also, I dont agree to have a hearing dog into the restaurant. What is the purpose of doing that? It shows me that deafies are so helpless. I can communicate with them in many ways. Orally speaking and body language / facial expression that I showed them that s the way we are. I am not fast - speaking like a hearing person. It s more comfortable for both because they understood me with body language and facial expression with oral speaking like from word to word in a very slow speed. One to one that I have no problem most of time however it s still the limtitation communication. However hearing people are still prejudiced and discriminated toward us that I still dont understand it at all. Orally speaking alone is out of the question because it s waste my time to say it over and over after all I spoke fine as I know it so. Heck with this orally speaking itself alone and doesnt help me to particpate the conversation because of my deaf voices as well as hearing people prefer hearing voice to listen. Just like what Liebling:-))) said in Oral vs ASL category.

Now its Adaption itself that we have the right to use our own natural feelings that relates our being deaf itself. I never had a chance to adapt my own deafness for many years until ten years ago I worked with a very good Deaf Leader who is Deaf and ASL, He noticed that i was struggled myself and didnt know anything about deaf issues for many years. He gave me many things to think about that I never knew that works for me and feels good about me , myself, and whole of me as being deaf. I know I will always be deaf and am not ashamed of it anymore, no matter how people try so hard to conform me a hearing child that never works. That's who I am or what I am that you refused to listen those deafies like me who were suffering and too angry about the loss of communication that we could have the chance to use ASL, too long. After I learned so much about my own adaption and am still learning because it is not easy because I was brainwashing to be a Hearing person that hurts my true identity and my written english because of oral method only that forced me to deal with. It is totally wrong for anybody do this to those d/Deaf children. It was totally very unfair since we get ONE sided only that many parents doesnt even know the truth about those d/Deaf children went through behind their backs. Believe it or not! I used to hate myself and my deafness but NOT ANYMORE .. PAH! I finally found "my own true identity" before it s too late or live with a big SUFFER until I die.

You better believe that I will never regret for being deaf or am legally deaf with my hands to speak that I want the whole world to see the true d/Deaf people in this society. That way they wont prejudiced or discriminated about our deafness and hands if you mind.

Hearing people deserve to know the truth about us deafies and our needs that comes first before u conform or manipulate d/Deaf children into a hearing person. So be it!


Thank you for your time to read it.

Happy Reading!

Sweetmind

Reba

But you can't carry all that stuff with you.

It is wonderful that people have a choice: technology or dog or BOTH, or even "none of the above"!

Sweetmind

Other thing is.. Hearing people are making money on us for years and years. Most of us cannot afford to buy everything we need. Why bother to charge us a very high price for those accessories. You give them a chance to become rich while their attitude are still prejudice, second class citizen, discrimination, ignore our ASL needs, Deaf rights that ADA is not working so well for us deafies in usa. Too many deaf oralists with HA and CI dont have a good job so why is that?? I know why? Because we still dont understand the concept of english written or language from the start while we were tooo busy to learn how to speak and listen those devices that doesnt make us understand you everything without ASL. We miss out a lot many ways since we are not a perfect lipreader 100 percent as you think we can hear and speak as a functionally hearing. SCOFFS!!. That s a big lie to many parents who are very innocent and make their mistakes that is too late for them to prevent their d/Deaf children from damage their own property body especially CI interfere our d/Deaf adaption in very young age. So they took ASL away from us deafies and and our rights.. I just dont understand this anymore.


Many things are not necessary and wasting money to spend on it. however I do not need to have too many things that makes them rich. They are still prejudice / discriminate toward us that it doesnt make any sense.. Thats why I quit everything that I dont have to support hearing people to become rich and take advantage of us deafies.. I am not licking my own lollipop as of u know what i mean. I prefer the natural methods than having many artificial materials to depend on too much that doesnt help you to adapt your own deafness from the start.

ASL does help me to understand it clear with body language/ facial expression/ with a emotional tone while hearing people can tell the difference in their voice tone while we dont and make them think that we are yelling or shouting that we did not on purpose, So thats how I feel abusive by these audist attitude people who tried to threat or harrass me or anyone who stood up for d/Deaf children s NEEDS and RIGHTS. In the past many ASLers were very successful on their jobs with or without orally speaking. So why take that away from d/Deaf chlidren alike me that it helps very much between Hearing and Deaf people.

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Sweetmind

Reba

Ummm, I don't think the dog is there to communicate with the wait staff.

I'm not going to judge the reasons why someone takes a service dog into a restaurant. That person doesn't have to justify his/her reasons to you or me.

I suppose one reason could be that while the Deafie was out on the town for the day he/she got hungry and thirsty. That is why most people go to restaurants. If the Deafie has the dog with him/her it would be natural for both of them to go into the restaurant together.

catzia

i have problem with this posts i read so far as the fact is that ASSISTANCE DOG or companion DOG doesnt have ability get access to any buildings no matter what unless hearing dog which was being certificated able to get in any buldings..
Fortunately TRUTH HURTS... i asked one deaf agency regarding about guide dogs that would train MY DOG to learn how to be hearing dog One lady stated " NO you have to get our agency dog to train on hearing guides and REPLACE your dog.. either way.. i replied to the lady what do you think who you are you decide what i need what i want... what if i prefer this dog instead theirs they are just try to say most dogs are just plain stupid which not true...
anyway as for HUD or landlords to have asiatnce dog, compainion dog or hearing dog.. truth is right you must have certifacate to prove you actually trained this dog to be assiatnce or hearing dog. thats fact.. i agree.. but there is other way i got in HUD with this dog i mostly trust my life with.. doctor just gave me prescprition which gave my dog authority as " Compainion DOG"..
it upset me when all of you stated few things thats i disagree.. DOGS are not that stupid dogs.. they have hidden skills which agency wouldnt want to see.. they want us to do what they require us to do... nowdays if anyone couldnt afford support companion. assistance or hearing dogs in vet bills etc.. thats fine ther eis one agency is avavible to support your guide dogs... but BY THE LAW you have to have it reapply to recieve the income for dog only which doesnt belong to you.. sometimes as for this some of posts which digusts me that some are being mention about hearing people and deaf people where i am standing between the line..
IT HURTS ME everyday to say hearing people and deaf people are acting like blacks and whites people.,.. some hearing people with disabilties may need assistance dogs... i dont care whatever it tell you or wake you up..
i dont hate deaf people dont hate hearing people but i pity some of you....
catz

Sweetmind

at catza. Thats the best word to use Companion Dog that I like very much. I dont need their permission since they know I am legally deaf.. So whats the point for me to go to the Dr all the time that it must show anyone that i have my deafness that needs to be proof. For heaven s sake I am legally deaf all my life since I was born.

Sighs! It is pain in the arse to hassle with the paperwork and BS. It took a lot of my time, energy, money and emotional pains because they are being so ignorant after all.

Thats our Deaf rights that should be on the record at once. Thats why I prefer to have ID proof that I am legally deaf since I was born. So that is only way to shut them up and leave us alone whatever we need to have our importance of needs. Also it should be no taxes on us too whatever we buy Deaf accessories. It s the same thing for hearing and Deaf blind that they dont have to pay taxes. Why cant we since we are disablity since everything are too expensive for deafies who do not have the kind of money to pay for our needs.. People dont give a damn our needs.

Thats why I m tired of BS with all mixed messages in this society.. I want to get rid of this BS flag that needs to knock it down.

Thank you!
Sweetmind

Liebling:-)))

Exactly, I do not need hearing dog or children to guide me because they can hear. *sigh*

Guide dogs is necassary for blind, not deaf because I can see anything and walk right way...

I can do it myself... I have technology at home which good enough.

I accept pets because I want their company.

Look at Doofosmomma's post. She doing right to not accept hearing dog because of hassle with rule etc since she has kids.

I can image what if a single person get hearing dog, then later married and start family... You know what the children are... They would get hearing dog into pet... what a waste... That's why I think it's not necassary to train dog to be hearing dog.

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Liebling:-)))

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Malfoyish

I'm making a big deal? Hmm-hmm. Let me tell you something.

I never once said that it does not happen to hearing people. Yes, there are break-ins and poisonings and stabbings. My daughter delivers newspapers and there's almost always a delight on the front page. You're absolutely right about that, this is a sick and twisted world we live in. In your post, however, you implied that hearing dogs weren't necessary unless one was deaf-blind, that one who was deaf and not blind should be content without a companion dog and the topic IS about HEARING DOGS. I strongly disagree with your ridiculous statement because even so, there's a LOT that goes on around any deaf individual that they don't SEE, whether they are at home, at school, or at the store, etc. I wasn't even referring to the DOG getting hurt, either - I was referring to the deaf individual that owns the dog. I'm appalled that you don't concur with that but given the amount of bullshit you've been fed and you're attempting to feed the rest of us, it doesn't surprise me in any way.

Did you need me to say it in ASL? I'd be more than happy to accomodate you in that manner. The point is, you're mixing fruit here. We're talking about hearing dogs and whether or not one is truly needed by someone who is deaf. The answer is no, there is no mandatory requirement for a deaf person to own an assistive animal, BUT it is a choice. Where the heck do hearing people come in, here?

Oh, I will. I am incredibly amused by your posts. If I'm in any way out of line, I'm sure someone will let me know. So far, I only see you making a lot of waves.

Surf's up!

Kalista

If I see any Dogs who are Deaf. I will make sure to get them cochlear implants !!

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Malfoyish

LOL, Kalista...make sure they've got their meningitis shots, first. I can't stress upon that enough.

MsGiglz

jeez some of you need to take chill pill..

I only would like to have dog to alert me.. but problem is ..
most rent apartment or rent house.. not accept dog..
it will be easy if access to have hearing dog.. that "some" of us would like to have dog .. for guide us .. like alert.. or guide me or my man if something need to bring some attention..
in our home.. not other places..

I am not going to use our dog or service (hearing dog) for good excuse..
just wanted to have pet dog who can alert us in some great talents... and have them in our home even though against landlord 's wishes.. or rules.. but lucky enough, our landlord wanted us to prove them that we took care of and important to us.. he is very pleased with our dog's improvements since we got him from stranger.. and attacked by pitbull.
he wished he have our dog lol..

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Reba

Hearing assistance dogs aren't "guide" dogs; they aren't used for "guiding" Deaf people. The duties of guide dogs for the blind, and assistance dogs for the deaf are two different things.


That's fine when you are at home. But people don't stay home all the time.


Fine. You don't need to get one. But please don't criticize other people who do want one.

Malfoyish

Exactly!

Oceanbreeze

I hate to inform you, dear, but, we all must fit into society. Having a hearing dog is no different than a blind person having a dog, or physically disabled person having a dog. It's all for the same purpose.

You may choose to not have one, but don't criticise another deaf person for the choice they made. If it helps them acclimate to this society, good for them. I've seen far too many atitudes promoting the idea that hearing people owe