My RIGHTS to keep my Hearing Dog.... - Page 3

Nesmuth · 02-13-2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pek1

And, may I add...God help the person who assaults a service dog.

California law states you assault a guide dog, you get 6 months prison time.

Richard

LuvsInk · 02-13-2006, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by pek1

Heath,

Not sure if I asked you or someone else, but, how do you handle people who come up to you and either patronize you or start petting your dog? I am at a loss....

I will politely explain that this is my working dog and that one should never pet without first prior permission from the handler. That to distract a working dog can cause injury to the handler. I have found that most people just don't think. Also, a lot of people are interested in learning more. It might take up a lot of my time explaining all this to the individuals

but people start stopping and listening and then the word is spred. Now some people can be downright rude and thats when I get firm and remind them that to persist is a violation of the law and that I won't hesitate to ask for assistance from a police officer.

I know it is aggravating to have to constantly explain your dog and what he does to people but I cannot stress enough education education education. Just remind yourself that everytime you educate someone that is one less person to hassle someone else.

pek1 · 02-13-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Heath

Pek1, Obivously you did not see those two patches. *sighs*

I will post those two patches that you put on your dog's orange vest....

I saw them...but people don't see the sign on Snickers cape, as if it doesn't pertain to them. I'm at a loss.

pek1 · 02-13-2006, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvsInk

I will politely explain that this is my working dog and that one should never pet without first prior permission from the handler. That to distract a working dog can cause injury to the handler. I have found that most people just don't think. Also, a lot of people are interested in learning more. It might take up a lot of my time explaining all this to the individuals

but people start stopping and listening and then the word is spred. Now some people can be downright rude and thats when I get firm and remind them that to persist is a violation of the law and that I won't hesitate to ask for assistance from a police officer.

I know it is aggravating to have to constantly explain your dog and what he does to people but I cannot stress enough education education education. Just remind yourself that everytime you educate someone that is one less person to hassle someone else.

Forgive me for sounding like a snob...but...your time and my time is valuable...why must we tell them (without charge, might I add) and it keeps getting worse and worse? You and I are both NOT circus acts, but you've seen the stares and pointing...now what? The whistles, too. It does get to me.

Reba · 02-13-2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pek1

Forgive me for sounding like a snob...but...your time and my time is valuable...why must we tell them (without charge, might I add) and it keeps getting worse and worse? You and I are both NOT circus acts, but you've seen the stares and pointing...now what? The whistles, too. It does get to me.

Understood; but if you and other service dog users don't educate them, who will?

PSA's and posters help but one-on-one public contact makes the most impact.

What about making arrangements with schools for "show and tell" sessions?

pek1 · 02-14-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

What about making arrangements with schools for "show and tell" sessions?

I see what you're saying. I've done a "s & t" before, thought it was fun. Hmm...you just gave me an idea, so will start being more open about this. Thanks, Reba!!

03-01-2006, 09:30 PM

Hi Everyone,

Guess what? I won the case today!!! I am keeping my place and hearing dog!!

for your prayers and support!!

IcedTeaRulz · 03-01-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by coloravalanche

Hi Everyone,

Guess what? I won the case today!!! I am keeping my place and hearing dog!!

for your prayers and support!!

Bravo!!! Yay!

WhisperHorse · 03-01-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by coloravalanche

Hi Everyone,

Guess what? I won the case today!!! I am keeping my place and hearing dog!!

for your prayers and support!!

Thats great news that you keeping your place and hearing dog! Thats stupid of your landlord, I bet your landlord gulp in big time!

I hate that when they do that... But Im very glad that you won the case!

LuvsInk · 03-02-2006, 10:56 AM

Wonderful. Not only do you have the pleasure of winning, you finally have relief. Every victory is one step forward for service dog users.

RedheadGrrl · 03-02-2006, 01:00 PM

WOW

way to go!!

I am sure all of us are curious, how does ur landlord react to it?

GalaxyAngel · 03-02-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RedheadGrrl

WOW

way to go!!

I am sure all of us are curious, how does ur landlord react to it?

So am I ... curiouis.. how's reacts answer?

I'm so very happy for you, btw gladly you won the case at the court and rights to keep your hearing dog.. living your place.. which it's good thing!

Landlord

by you.. LOL
Way to go! :appluase:

pek1 · 03-02-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by coloravalanche

Hi Everyone,

Guess what? I won the case today!!! I am keeping my place and hearing dog!!

for your prayers and support!!

Beautiful!!

See, didn't I tell you to stand up to them? Others here did, too! This is good news! Thanks for letting us know!!

LMM · 03-03-2006, 03:48 AM

Yep I'm up late again.
LMM is home alsleep. But let me tell you what happen to a good & dear friend of LMM. He lived not far from LMM. In a small town North of her, Whitehall Mi.
He had the same trouble with his landlord. He had a service dog, he was in a wheel-chair. Thats why he had his service dog. After he won his case, His landlord was so tick off ! He made LMM friend a live heck. Her friend took his landlord back to court for harassment. He won again! After 5 years of in & out of courts, the only wayto stop his Landlord was to move.
I & Lmm wish you the best. Maybe your landlord have learn a lesson. Even thou our friend try reason & education this landlord. He had no acceptment for our friend and/or his service dog!
Our local newspaper printed a long story with the landlords name . You think he be more accept after that aslo.. But oh no, He still was a real jerk!

Just beware of what may lye ahead for you. Wish you the best again,
LMM

03-03-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RedheadGrrl

WOW

way to go!!

I am sure all of us are curious, how does ur landlord react to it?

My landlord "gasped" big time! I'm pretty sure that she's probably realized that I am tough person that she can not deal with!

RedheadGrrl · 03-03-2006, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by coloravalanche

My landlord "gasped" big time! I'm pretty sure that she's probably realized that I am tough person that she can not deal with!

Then she cannot touch you again. I am sure she is so embarrassed by it. How imagine what her friends and family said that she lost!!

Well, WAY TO GO AGAIN!!

pek1 · 03-04-2006, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by coloravalanche

My landlord "gasped" big time! I'm pretty sure that she's probably realized that I am tough person that she can not deal with!

coloravalanche,

I mean no disrespect, but I am very, very glad you got a backbone now. Feels great, huh? Keep looking up!

pek1 · 03-04-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nesmuth

Tell that to Donalda

Ammons, our lovely CISS president, she's as very Deaf American as a Gallaudet Professor! What kind of a deaf American does things that go against the laws that were made to help them?

Richard

Richard,

Forgive me for not seeing or responding to you, earlier. I would ask for her address, but noted that she teaches at Gally...heh heh...heh...thanks for letting me know.

Sweetmind · 03-07-2006, 09:23 AM

Well I do not need a hearing dog. For what?? It doesnt mean that I am so helpless for being deaf. I can see everything around me which is a good enough that I do not depend on my deaf ears. You want it then you ll have to pay all those VET bills and Dog Foods all the time which is your choice to make. I respect that.

It makes sense for Deaf blind to have that hearing dog to protect themselves since they cannot see or hear very well.

Smile!
Sweetmind

LuvsInk · 03-07-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

Well I do not need a hearing dog. For what?? It doesnt mean that I am so helpless for being deaf. I can see everything around me which is a good enough that I do not depend on my deaf ears. You want it then you ll have to pay all those VET bills and Dog Foods all the time which is your choice to make. I respect that.

It makes sense for Deaf blind to have that hearing dog to protect themselves since they cannot see or hear very well.

Smile!
Sweetmind

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am often asked why we can't get laws changed or things done. I find it to be that disabled people fight so much between themselves that they cannot forge an united front. To each their own is my motto. I don't care or comment that you don't use a service dog, why should you care or comment that we do? Some of us, like myself, went deaf later in life and have not had the time to adjust from a hearing world into the deaf world and find that a service dog helps us make that transition easier. That does not make us weak. That just means we are using every way available to us to continue to be independent. There is an old saying that has a strong meaning. You cannot judge a book by its cover. My other favorite is judge not least ye be judged.

pek1 · 03-07-2006, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

Well I do not need a hearing dog. For what?? It doesnt mean that I am so helpless for being deaf. I can see everything around me which is a good enough that I do not depend on my deaf ears. You want it then you ll have to pay all those VET bills and Dog Foods all the time which is your choice to make. I respect that.

It makes sense for Deaf blind to have that hearing dog to protect themselves since they cannot see or hear very well.

Smile!
Sweetmind

Sweetmind,

I agree with LuvsInk, it is an individual opinion and desire. But, what you may not know is that a hearing dog is not considered a pet AND every vet bill, every bag of food, treats and toys are ALL written off in taxes. Dog needs a bath? Tax write-off. Yes, receipts all over the place (if you're not organized), but it sure beats having to depend on Mace.

LMM · 03-07-2006, 10:49 PM

If it wasn't for LMM service dog she might not be here! Her service dog save her life more then once ! Her dog is train for 3 differnet things. Amelia is her best friend. You be surprize to see them together. She can sign to Amelia & Amelia understands what she is saying. Amelia learns new signs all the time.
When Amelia save LMM life she wasn't train to save just get help. But Amelia went above the call of duty! We still don't know how amelia did it, But she is a hero. Amelia don't think she is, she was just trying help LMM.
As Pek say, yes Service dog are not pets , They have more rights. Same as if a person harms a service dog they get jail/fines. They get same if they harm police dogs. Working dogs are just as human as you & I ! If person shoots working dogs, They get for muder or temp- muder!
LMM looks around her also, but Amelia is there to help barrier alot of gaps in her life! Some Deaf people have other heath issue then just be Deaf/deaf/hoh... Have you thought about that! Lmm recived Amelia for her other heath issue and they train Amelia also for hearing dog... Help LMM out more!
Hope you learn more about sercive dog by read our relpys!
LMM

Sweetmind · 03-08-2006, 08:12 AM

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

SO AM I if you mind and I dont need ur help. I m not here to point anybody but I am saying what I see in a real life. I can respect people who have a hearing dog but it s not necessary in some ways.

I ll support Deaf rights as always and will not support for the wrong reasons.

NO kidding!!!! Of course I understand what is a hearing dog? Thanks! I am not that duh like you think.

My point is that people turned against American Sign Language so whats the difference between hearing dog and ASL that we need to have in our lifetime? So your negative audist attitude destroy our true language that you think ASL is horrible to deal with. Scoffs!!! Deaf children s need that it s our Deaf rights!

Now u are asking for it. You are kissing their arse because you think oral method only is the best.. Whats the heck going on here?

Thats perfect example for what u are giving me tooooo much confusion and dont understand why are u doing this to those d/Deaf children?

Make up your mind!! sighs

Sweetmind

Liebling:-))) · 03-08-2006, 08:32 AM

I respect every opinions about hearing dog...

Let me tell you about myself bit.

I grew up with pets... It's not just dog but cat as well. I have many dogs and cats come and go in my life. They bark automaic when the door ringing... I can't see the sense why it's necassary to have hearing dog... They helped me... They barked first before hearing people... Don't you know that dogs and cats hear shape than human? Why educate dog to be hearing dog for... ?

I have 2 cats... They heard the door ring before me... I knew straight way someone come when I saw cats jump and stare the door, sometimes ran to door... They noticed that we can't hear their cries outside of door (that's time my sons are not home). What they do is jump on the window to get me attention then I open the door and let cats go in...

Okay, I respect your opinion but I think it's not necassary to have hearing dog...

Sweetmind · 03-08-2006, 09:02 AM

Thats correct, Liebling Thats why I dont need to explain it to them after all you said it all. Thats what I meant. They are smarter enough to know better than that dogs or cats are ability shows that we do not need to train them. It comes out natural that your pets knew you are deaf and help d/Deaf people.

Thats true about the training with animals to be a hearing dog. They do not need to train cuz they do have the sense of feelings and know we are deaf.. Dogs or Cats are not that stupid at all. Thats why I believe in very natural method because it s more of true instinct for these pets. It s the same way in ASL for d/Deaf people.

I used to have a dog and cats however I cannot have it because of allergic and too much hairy all over the house that I dont like very much. Now it s getting tooo expensive on VET bills, Dog foods and etc etc. It s not worthwhile for me to pay all that BS. Also, I will not let anyone with dogs into my place. Sorry about that.

I am still saying it s not necessary to have a hearing dog as well as I can understand for Deaf Blind that would be fit their needs. Again, I am not helpless for being deaf.

I just dont understand what s a big deal after all we have Deaf accessories that we could use to be equal like Hearing people. like VP, doorbells, and nontraining animals etc if u can afford it.

As for me, I dont have many accessories in my place because I couldnt afford to pay all that. Only flashing light phone for VP, Closed captions, and Flashing Light Doorbell in one room that is necessary for me to have it. Thats all I need and make the best of it. If I miss the flashing light that i dont see which is tough luck.

Sweetmind

Reba · 03-08-2006, 09:11 AM

Assistance dogs are NOT "pets." They are trained to perform specific tasks.

Assistance dogs have access to facilities that "pets" do not. They are allowed in public buildings and transportation that pets are not allowed.

Just because some Deaf people don't need or want assistance dogs why criticize or restrict the choices of the Deaf people who DO want to use an assistance dog?

This is beginning to sound like another CI v. no-CI, oral v. ASL, etc., controversy. I don't understand why people just don't accept the fact that "one-size" DOESN'T fit all, and allow for a variety of choices, or even a combination of choices.

If even members of the Deaf community can't understand and support each other, how on earth do you expect the hearing world to understand or be supportive?

MsGiglz · 03-08-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Assistance dogs are NOT "pets." They are trained to perform specific tasks.

Assistance dogs have access to facilities that "pets" do not. They are allowed in public buildings and transportation that pets are not allowed.

Just because some Deaf people don't need or want assistance dogs why criticize or restrict the choices of the Deaf people who DO want to use an assistance dog?

That's true.. they are NOT pets.... I applied for hearing dog couple years ago, and I am not qualify to have one.. because....

-have to stick the rules... I told them impossible..
-dont let the kids "pet" or play with hearing dog.. (once in while yes but not all the times)..
Rules? impossible why.... dont let the kids answer the doorbell, phone rings, baby cry... etc.. impossible.. kids are go after the phone or doorbell.. whats more.. large family can stress service dog..

Right now, Rocky have improved so much.. He now is housebroken

finally.. since i watched dog whisperer shows.. about leash, barking & etc.. we worked with Rocky since 2 weeks.. OMG it showed alot improved and doing great.. Since he been trained, he picks up to help me like.. alert when kids are aguring.. he interupt in and barks at them, then came back to me.. sit by me.. looked at me.. I knew something is wrong.. and.. he alert when the baby is crying.. he sit by them and looked at them.. lol.
whatever constant noise that I didnt reply to.. like timer on oven, smoke alarm, clock alarm.. he bugged me.. but didnt show me which.. but he walks up and down the stairs.. (smoke alarm senstive went off upstair).. so i knew right away..

really, you can do train little things.. main imporant that give pently energy and walk.. dog will become a calm... Since.. Rocky is still "ON GO" because he is cattledog mix.. hes so energertic .. I saw on dog whisperer show that Ceaser put backpack on dog's back with one or two water bottles.. to wear down the energy.. so the dog will not misbehavior at home becuse bored.. I am going to buy that packback soon..

Dino65 · 03-08-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by coloravalanche

Here is my situation about my hearing dog and the landlord.

I live under HUD for 4 years. I have a hearing dog who lives with me for 4 years. Anyway, the landlord has been trying to get rid of my hearing dog for a long time.

My landlord has been threatening me that there is dog odor in my place. Last fall, I had to go back to dog ears training to prove it to my landlord that my dog is a great hearing dog, so forth.

Anyway, two weeks ago, when I was moping the floor, I accident spilled the bucket on the floor. It got stink so I put paper towels on the floor to let it dry.

I was in a hurry and took my hearing dog to the Vet that day. While I was gone, I was not awared that the landlord sent someone enter my house and check it out. When I got home, I found a yellow note on my front door. It says that the man checked the alarm system. I puzzled. I knew it was against the law for them enter my house without letting me know.

So, I received a letter from my landlord last week that the man saw the paper towels on the floor...he told her that my dog pee on the floor...it was NOT true! I explained to the landlord what happened and that I spilled the bucket on the floor, etc. Of course, she refused to believe me.

She said I have 10 days to get rid of my hearing dog OR she will terminate my lease for 30 days! I told her that it was against the law for her to get rid of my hearing dog because I have my dog certificate! She said that she has authority to get rid of my hearing dog and she was told by the Dog Ears Training that she could do that. I called the Dog Ears Training and asked them if that was true if my landlord has authority to get rid of my dog. They said they NEVER said that to my landlord. They told my landlord many times that I have my rights to KEEP my hearing dog for no matter what. So, the landlord LIED!

I contacted the "US Housing Dept" and reported it. The man will help me and straight it out with the landlord. Also, I reported to the "Fair Housing" and file complaint against my landlord. The lady from Fair Housing told me that the landlord or anyone ARE NOT allowed to go in my place WITHOUT notify or let me know.

This morning, I went to Disability Law Office and file report. I am waiting to hear from a lawyer anytime and hopefully will meet with the lawyer soon.

I cant believe that the landlord had the gut to sent the maintaince to spy my home without letting me know before he went in my place!!

Please pray for me that everything will work out. I am going through stress right now because of this situation.

Contact the Commission for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing. I am a dog hard lover. Dino

Sweetmind · 03-08-2006, 12:07 PM

Other thing is I dont want to see anybody to abuse the law for a hearing dog issue. I dont believe every d/Deaf person needs that because they love dogs. I dont think it s fair for d/Deaf people s need that needs to be done.

I can understand some d/Deaf people have a hearing dog for a very good reason that I can respect very much. Thats their needs. I have no problem with it and dont want to take it away from them.

Okay now, do they provide a very low income d/Deaf people?? I dont think so. It s not a good idea for them to have it unless it is real NECESSARY to have a hearing dog because of $$$$.

So what do you think every parents are doing it for their d/Deaf children who wants a dog? I feel that it s something not right about it.

Thats what it makes harder to get the law for d/Deaf 's right.

LuvsInk · 03-08-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

Other thing is I dont want to see anybody to abuse the law for a hearing dog issue. I dont believe every d/Deaf person needs that because they love dogs. I dont think it s fair for d/Deaf people s need that needs to be done.

I can understand some d/Deaf people have a hearing dog for a very good reason that I can respect very much. Thats their needs. I have no problem with it and dont want to take it away from them.

Okay now, do they provide a very low income d/Deaf people?? I dont think so. It s not a good idea for them to have it unless it is real NECESSARY to have a hearing dog because of $$$$.

So what do you think every parents are doing it for their d/Deaf children who wants a dog? I feel that it s something not right about it.

Thats what it makes harder to get the law for d/Deaf 's right.

Have you ever worked with a hearing dog? Do you have any idea as to what they do? First, they are completely obedience trained to behave their very best in public. Second, they alert to many things other than just doors. I work with a hearing dog by choice. Don't critisize me or others who work with hearing dogs because you don't need one. I was born and lived most my life hearing and now I can't and the transition is difficult on me. I chose to use what was available to me to assist me to be more independent. Were you ever hearing, if so, did you wear hearing aids? If you did wear hearing aids whats the difference from you using hearing aids and my using a hearing dog since hearing aids don't work for me? One size doesn't fit all. Everyone copes the best they can and should be applauded for coping and not giving up no matter what means they take to get there. I'm not hurting you or anyone else because I have a hearing dog. The deaf community will never get laws or attitudes changed until they quit bickering amoungst themselves and form an united front. "The needs of the many outway the needs of the few." I applaude anyone who makes the effort to be independent and stand on their own no matter what means available to them they chose to use. As for the money it costs to maintain a service dog, there are programs that assist the financially stapped handlers with everything from Advantage for fleas to medical bills for their service dogs.

03-01-2006, 09:30 PM	#67 (permalink)
coloravalanche Guest Posts: n/a	I Won!! Hi Everyone, Guess what? I won the case today!!! I am keeping my place and hearing dog!! for your prayers and support!!

03-08-2006, 08:32 AM	#84 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Sussi 7.7.86 - 18.6.09 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 30,971	I respect every opinions about hearing dog... Let me tell you about myself bit. I grew up with pets... It's not just dog but cat as well. I have many dogs and cats come and go in my life. They bark automaic when the door ringing... I can't see the sense why it's necassary to have hearing dog... They helped me... They barked first before hearing people... Don't you know that dogs and cats hear shape than human? Why educate dog to be hearing dog for... ? I have 2 cats... They heard the door ring before me... I knew straight way someone come when I saw cats jump and stare the door, sometimes ran to door... They noticed that we can't hear their cries outside of door (that's time my sons are not home). What they do is jump on the window to get me attention then I open the door and let cats go in... Okay, I respect your opinion but I think it's not necassary to have hearing dog... __________________

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03-02-2006, 10:56 AM	#70 (permalink)
LuvsInk LuvsInk Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 75	Wonderful. Not only do you have the pleasure of winning, you finally have relief. Every victory is one step forward for service dog users.

03-02-2006, 01:00 PM	#71 (permalink)
RedheadGrrl Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,819	WOW way to go!! I am sure all of us are curious, how does ur landlord react to it?

03-03-2006, 03:48 AM	#74 (permalink)
LMM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 136	Yep I'm up late again. LMM is home alsleep. But let me tell you what happen to a good & dear friend of LMM. He lived not far from LMM. In a small town North of her, Whitehall Mi. He had the same trouble with his landlord. He had a service dog, he was in a wheel-chair. Thats why he had his service dog. After he won his case, His landlord was so tick off ! He made LMM friend a live heck. Her friend took his landlord back to court for harassment. He won again! After 5 years of in & out of courts, the only wayto stop his Landlord was to move. I & Lmm wish you the best. Maybe your landlord have learn a lesson. Even thou our friend try reason & education this landlord. He had no acceptment for our friend and/or his service dog! Our local newspaper printed a long story with the landlords name . You think he be more accept after that aslo.. But oh no, He still was a real jerk! Just beware of what may lye ahead for you. Wish you the best again, LMM

03-07-2006, 09:23 AM	#79 (permalink)
Sweetmind Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 788	Well I do not need a hearing dog. For what?? It doesnt mean that I am so helpless for being deaf. I can see everything around me which is a good enough that I do not depend on my deaf ears. You want it then you ll have to pay all those VET bills and Dog Foods all the time which is your choice to make. I respect that. It makes sense for Deaf blind to have that hearing dog to protect themselves since they cannot see or hear very well. Smile! Sweetmind

03-07-2006, 10:49 PM	#82 (permalink)
LMM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 136	If it wasn't for LMM service dog she might not be here! Her service dog save her life more then once ! Her dog is train for 3 differnet things. Amelia is her best friend. You be surprize to see them together. She can sign to Amelia & Amelia understands what she is saying. Amelia learns new signs all the time. When Amelia save LMM life she wasn't train to save just get help. But Amelia went above the call of duty! We still don't know how amelia did it, But she is a hero. Amelia don't think she is, she was just trying help LMM. As Pek say, yes Service dog are not pets , They have more rights. Same as if a person harms a service dog they get jail/fines. They get same if they harm police dogs. Working dogs are just as human as you & I ! If person shoots working dogs, They get for muder or temp- muder! LMM looks around her also, but Amelia is there to help barrier alot of gaps in her life! Some Deaf people have other heath issue then just be Deaf/deaf/hoh... Have you thought about that! Lmm recived Amelia for her other heath issue and they train Amelia also for hearing dog... Help LMM out more! Hope you learn more about sercive dog by read our relpys! LMM

03-08-2006, 09:02 AM	#85 (permalink)
Sweetmind Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 788	Thats correct, Liebling Thats why I dont need to explain it to them after all you said it all. Thats what I meant. They are smarter enough to know better than that dogs or cats are ability shows that we do not need to train them. It comes out natural that your pets knew you are deaf and help d/Deaf people. Thats true about the training with animals to be a hearing dog. They do not need to train cuz they do have the sense of feelings and know we are deaf.. Dogs or Cats are not that stupid at all. Thats why I believe in very natural method because it s more of true instinct for these pets. It s the same way in ASL for d/Deaf people. I used to have a dog and cats however I cannot have it because of allergic and too much hairy all over the house that I dont like very much. Now it s getting tooo expensive on VET bills, Dog foods and etc etc. It s not worthwhile for me to pay all that BS. Also, I will not let anyone with dogs into my place. Sorry about that. I am still saying it s not necessary to have a hearing dog as well as I can understand for Deaf Blind that would be fit their needs. Again, I am not helpless for being deaf. I just dont understand what s a big deal after all we have Deaf accessories that we could use to be equal like Hearing people. like VP, doorbells, and nontraining animals etc if u can afford it. As for me, I dont have many accessories in my place because I couldnt afford to pay all that. Only flashing light phone for VP, Closed captions, and Flashing Light Doorbell in one room that is necessary for me to have it. Thats all I need and make the best of it. If I miss the flashing light that i dont see which is tough luck. Sweetmind

03-08-2006, 09:11 AM	#86 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 20,786	Assistance dogs are NOT "pets." They are trained to perform specific tasks. Assistance dogs have access to facilities that "pets" do not. They are allowed in public buildings and transportation that pets are not allowed. Just because some Deaf people don't need or want assistance dogs why criticize or restrict the choices of the Deaf people who DO want to use an assistance dog? This is beginning to sound like another CI v. no-CI, oral v. ASL, etc., controversy. I don't understand why people just don't accept the fact that "one-size" DOESN'T fit all, and allow for a variety of choices, or even a combination of choices. If even members of the Deaf community can't understand and support each other, how on earth do you expect the hearing world to understand or be supportive?

03-08-2006, 12:07 PM	#89 (permalink)
Sweetmind Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 788	Other thing is I dont want to see anybody to abuse the law for a hearing dog issue. I dont believe every d/Deaf person needs that because they love dogs. I dont think it s fair for d/Deaf people s need that needs to be done. I can understand some d/Deaf people have a hearing dog for a very good reason that I can respect very much. Thats their needs. I have no problem with it and dont want to take it away from them. Okay now, do they provide a very low income d/Deaf people?? I dont think so. It s not a good idea for them to have it unless it is real NECESSARY to have a hearing dog because of $$$$. So what do you think every parents are doing it for their d/Deaf children who wants a dog? I feel that it s something not right about it. Thats what it makes harder to get the law for d/Deaf 's right.