Liebling:-)))

Can you show me where I judge or criticism people´s decision? I only made a general post to agree with most of Lananta´s posts and voice my own opinion in general way what I think of hearing dog and disagree with Katin´s link without judge or criticism people´s decision and disagree Katin´s comment over low self-esteem in general way.

Please don´t make a false accusation.

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Liebling:-)))

*shake my head disappointment*

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Angel

Liebling:-)))

[quote]Can you show me where have I against service dog for assist disabled people (blind, etc)? See my response post toward Reba.

I do not see anything that I against service dog for blind, etc. I pointed out to the link where Katin provided over deafies´s low self-esteem without judge and critisum people´s decision. I only disagree that the service dog boost deafies´s low self-esteem without judge or critiscm people´s decision. I voice my opinion and agree with most of Lanata´s posts in general way without judge or critistm people´s decision

I respect deaf people´s decision for want to have hearing dog. I do not see anything where I judge people´s decision.

I didn´t know that the people who are on the wheelchair or use crutches need dog´s assist because I never seen them for have assist dog but blind people.

Where have I say anything against service dogs for blind? Anyway, we don´t have hearing dogs here in many Europe countries because we do not need them.

I am total surprised about this. The service dogs are for blind people only. The people who suffers physically or mentally etc what you mentioned above need assistance is care service who nurse them which service dogs doesn´t. Many people who suffers like what you mentioned above, have pets who make them feel good and keep them company.

Are you accuse me to judge people´s decision? I am here to disagree with Katin´s link and then voice my OWN opinion in general way and agree with Lanata´s post without judge or critisium people´s decision. This is a false accussation of you. *shake my head disappointment*

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Liebling:-)))

Because you also accused me for judge people´s decision, too.

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Angel

Service dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Service Dogs

Service Dogs

NEADS Services overview


Service dogs are NOT pets and they're trained to assist people that needs help! and who told you that these service dogs are only for the blind people??

Liebling:-)))

My first post on this thread here of last year 2006

Is my post judgement and critism? No, I am here to voice my opinion and agree or disagree...
http://www.alldeaf.com/477150-post84.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/479143-post103.html

Reba accused me for critizise people´s decision when I only voice my opinion in general way with agree to disagree.

http://www.alldeaf.com/479266-post109.html

I quoted Reba for against her to make a false accusement.
http://www.alldeaf.com/479557-post116.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/479772-post123.html

I against Reba for use deafness as an excuse...

http://www.alldeaf.com/482973-post152.html
http://www.alldeaf.com/482985-post153.html
http://www.alldeaf.com/482988-post154.html
http://www.alldeaf.com/482993-post155.html

And then leave this thread alone until I saw how interesting posts Lanata made, not her but some ADers as well until I pointed the link where Katin provided and then I post to disagree with those link over deafies´s self-esteem.

I just cannot beleive that I was being accused for judge and crisiticsm people´s decision which I didn´t.

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Reba

I never even mentioned you, and I wasn't even replying to you.

Angel

Where did I name you in my post? if you re-read my replied I posted ( speaking generally ) and where did Reba named you?

Liebling:-)))

Why do you brought those subject up over judgement and criticism short after my post then?

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Liebling:-)))

Yes you have... Look at your first post toward my post.. ."speechless " - I thought you misunderstand my post so I tried to explain you about Katin´s link but you choose to ignore it and continue to make a long post toward me and then explain that it´s okay to agree to disagree, not judge...... look at your own post... It is okay to disagree but it's not okay to judge these people here. (speaking generally) - If you want to talk general then make your own post instead of quote my post. I was like and speechless... Now I see some ADers come to label "judge/accuse" AFTER your and Reba´s post. It make me look that I am one who judge and criistism people´s decision. It annoy me total... I felt being accused by you and Reba.

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Angel

Wow, you misunderstood my post totally, I'm sorry you saw it that way, but that wasn't the reason why. I was shocked and speechess to see that you know nothing about these service dogs only to think they're for the blind people only, btw It was someone else's post and I'm not going to name who.

I'm done with this thread

Liebling:-)))

[quote] for interesting link.


Yes I know service dogs are not pets. I only stated what I know that many people like to have pets to company them and make them feel good including disabled people as well. The people who suffer severe mental health, etc who need assist is Care Service, not service dog, that´s all what I know.

We don´t have hearing dog here in many European countries and also don´t have assist dogs for severe disabled people as well because they have have Care Service who nurse them. We have assist dog (service dog) for blind only here in many Europe countries. I have seen many wheelchair who don´t have service dog but pet. They can do anything themselves wihtout anyone´s assistance. Yes, UK copied USA for want to have hearing dog. Many deafies applied for hearing dogs to assist them... Unfortunlately service dog become pet since they have family etc... They did not follow the rule how to keep hearing dog instead of make them pet. I have British friends who told me that it´s waste. They have everything in household is light flashing, babies cries, fire alarm, etc. for deafies which is good enough... Here in Germany have no interesting to think about hearing dog but agree to have service dog for blind only. This is Europe culture for not interesting to have dog´s assistance. This is so... *shrug* Yes, we learn about hearing dog thru TV for the deaf over USA... we were like wow... and then learn that UK copied USA for want to have hearing dog... until they told me what a waste... I was like Oh... until I registered American forums and learn more about them and try to understand why they need hearing dog... I respect their decision after read their posts and voice my own opinion in general way.

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Liebling:-)))

Oh my dear, I am very sorry for make a harsh post toward you. I can see that we misunderstand each other over our posts... I got why you are speechless that I thought it is for only blind ... Yes you are right that I thought it´s for blind only.

Service dog for blind are very common here in Germany and other Europe countries. Yes I heard about hearing dog thru UK and TV for the deaf over USA... I was like wow.. but I didn´t know until you explained me about service dog which it is not just for blind people and deaf people. I know more and more about hearing dog thru American forum. I find interesting but I know it´s not for me because I can make them into pet...

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Kaitin

"Many post in AD" does not mean "all deaf/HoH but not hearing". It just means "many who post in AD". Just because some in one group has a problem does not mean none else have the problem - not exclusive ideas. I didn't write "Many post in AD because they are the only people who have this problem". Different sentence by 100%.

I don't want to fight so I won't post again, but I don't want people to think I believe low self-esteem is only deaf/HoH. I never write this and don't believe this.

Angel

It's okay Liebling, you're forgiven , I'm pretty much used to people attacking me or making harsh comments, but was surprised to get one from you. Honestly, I did not misunderstood your post at all, and Kaitin was right, some people who has depression ( serious illness) prefer to have "Psychiatric" service dogs.

Please read this link Psychiatric service dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Reba

What on earth?! Are you paranoid? I just post when I can, where I can. Or do I need to take a number?

If you notice by now, when I have something to say to you, I post my replies attached to your posts. The post you refer to in this thread was not attached to your post or anyone else's post. It was a general statement of my opinion.

This might be hard for you to accept but not every thing is about you.

Liebling:-)))

No, I am not here to fight with you but point out what you said "Many post in AD....."

Did I said that you said "all"? No, I am following what you said "many". I never say all. I know the difference between many and all.

Again your OWN word..."Many post in AD about social problems, depression, afraid of going to parties, feeling too lonely etc. Maybe a service dog helps."


If you want to talk about people who suffers low self-esteem or whatever in general way, then not point "Many post in AD".... because many deaf/HOH people are members here in AD than hearing people.

This is my view on your comment "Many post in AD"...

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Liebling:-)))

*shake my head*...

See your OWN and LAST post after some ADers updated one year old thread few days ago... Why can´t you say something to them then?
http://www.alldeaf.com/884394-post250.html

Now you ask for it... I am going to say something about you... Okay, I really has no problem with anyone to disgree with me or whatever but I don´t like false accusation/statement when I never say anything. I has the right to against it... If I see that I did make mistake then admit my mistakes and apologize to the public when ADers convince me but you? I know it´s very hard for you to accept the knowledge that you are not prefect who think you don´t make mistakes or don´t like to admit mistakes when some ADers convince you.

Anyway, you can try to fool anyone but not with me. You said nothing when ADers updated one year old thread here when you posted link until I posted... then you said something...

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Liebling:-)))

Okay

I didn´t know about psychiatric service dogs. It look like therapy to me... it´s similar example as dophin therapy. I will read more about psychiatric service dogs and then be back for post later.

Here, we have pets to help people who suffers depression, low self-esteem, etc., not apply service dogs to help... I have cats as pet who make me feel good.

NHM Question of the Week: Pets

That´s why I disagree with Katin´s link to apply service dogs to boost people´s self-esteem because the pets can do that. It´s Care service or therapies who helps severe disabled people who have severe problems to positive their self-esteem, etc. I have seen many disabled people who have good self-esteem without service dogs but pets.

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Liebling hon I'm very much aware what some pets can do for us, and how they can help people's health issue, but this thread is not about pets, we are talking about service dogs, I'm trying to help you understand what many service dogs do to assist people that needs help. you may disagree as long as you please but cannot say these people don't need one.

For myself I don't need a service dog, but if others want one, that's up to them. Katin is only giving a suggestion as "maybe a service dog will help", that's all she was doing, I just wish you will see where she is coming from on this too.

Reba