Hearing Aids and Cochlear Implants Not Allowed! - Page 2

Dennis · 12-21-2004, 08:37 AM

One shouldn't HAVE to bribe or go to court to show that wearing a hearing aid or cochlear implant does NOT affect one's deafness. My gosh, I wear a cochlear implant and I used to be a president of a deaf fraternity! How scandalous!

The point is, it's POLITICAL, someone is on a power trip to say that deaf people are the best and has something against people who aren't CAPITAL D "D"eaf in their opinion. That means that if you have a hearing aid, cochlear implant, or other assistive device, you're not embracing deafness in their eyes. SCREW THAT.

I play golf with my implant on -- because it's more natural to me. If I played without it, I wouldn't be able to interact with my hearing peers on the course as well as I interact with my deaf peers. That means without it on, I won't have as much fun playing golf with, say, my boss, than with people at deaf golf tournaments. With it ON, I interact with everyone, deaf, hearing and hard of hearing alike. THERE IS NO RISK in causing damage to my implant whether I have it on or off.

If I take it off just for a deaf event, then my ability to play will change because I'm so used to practicing my swing with it on. SCREW CISS for trying to handicap me for a political reason!

Rayfus · 12-22-2004, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ^Angel^

Yeah I agree with Deaf258, I took my hearing aids off when I was playing softball at school and volleyball too....I didn't want my hearing aids to break in case the ball hit it.... It does cost alot of money to buy new hearing aids and I don't think my parents would be thriller if they knew I had broke them while playing sports at school....

I'd take a deep breath and get a grip. Hearing athletes are required to removed jewelry, like rings, ear rings, necklaces, ankle bracelets, etc., etc. ALL the time in athletic events. Some people would wear nose rings if you let them. This is most likely an insurance issue and not some War against CI.

The other thing is, it take almost exactly ten minutes of focused concentration in a golf game to forget you don't have an HA or CI. I'm mean, if you're THAT upset without your CI, imagine what you'll do when someone in the gallery squeals like a pig just when are teeing off or putting. Don't make an issue of a non-issue. This sounds like Michael Jordon saying he won't play a basketball game without his big hoop ear ring dangling.

And as for the guy who played football, that makes some sense that you'd want to hear the whistle, but the Gallaudet Bison and deaf kids in residential schools all over the the country have been playing for decades and somehow they manage to stop at the end of the play without getting on the umpire's nerves. If you're so worried about it, go explain the situation to the umpire before the game. One assumes that a deaf person knows how to compensate with their eyes. Unless you just don't want to take responsibiliity for your athletic conduct. But the thing that really got me was the problem of not being able to hear some kid ask for an autograph. Gimme a break! Who's going to prevent you from wearing you HA when you're not on the field? And if you are on the field you should have your head in the game and not be signing autographs.

Finally, the implant is SOOOOOOOOOO expensive!!!! How much? $60 to 90 thouand dollars? That's like the Queen of England wantiing to wear her crown jewels on a loop-the-loop roller coaster. Just plain unwise. You can buy a HOUSE or a college education for that amount of money. Don't do it. Do you think some sporting event promoter wants to pay for your next CI or HA or compensate you if some other athlete breaks the damn thing, even if by accident? Because the promoter of these event is the LIABLE party, forever and always. The have to post insurance bonds for accidents and they can significantly lower the cost of the event by implementing rules for this very thing - wearing posthetic devices. In the age of SOMEBODY HAS TO BE BLAMED lawsuits, I'll guarantee you this organization has to march to the drum of their insurance company no matter who gets insulted.

So I say, relax, go and enjoy the competition and don't get the promoter sued if somebody breaks you CI. If you do, that will probably put a permanent END to all such competition until someone can fork over the insurance premiums; and just because you couldn't take the ten minutes (if even that much time) to adjust. Grow up, young lady. The world doesn't revolve around you. That competition means a lot to everyone. The best athletes plan and train for every possible obstacle. For the deaf athlete removing your HA and CI is just something you should always incorporate into you training so you do get so psyched-out when something doesn't work out. You should train with and without you prosthesis just to be ready to kick some butt rather than crumble if your battery goes dead.

Rayfus

Reba · 12-22-2004, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rayfus

I'd take a deep breath and get a grip. Hearing athletes are required to removed jewelry, like rings, ear rings, necklaces, ankle bracelets, etc., etc. ALL the time in athletic events. Some people would wear nose rings if you let them. This is most likely an insurance issue and not some War against CI.

The difference is, jewelry is for appearance; HA and CI are for function, like eye glasses, contacts, and knee braces.

Rayfus · 12-22-2004, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

The difference is, jewelry is for appearance; HA and CI are for function, like eye glasses, contacts, and knee braces.

That may be true and it's reasonable to consider. But hearing athletes at all levels of competition have always had a responsibility to safety. I think that a person who was, say, a figure skater or who was involved in a sport which required that they keep time with music, like figure skating, would definitely have a case for wearing a prosthetic devise such as a hearing aid or CI. But the truth is, athletic ability is not dependent upon hearing for almost all sports and safety of other athletes is THE paramount concern. If an athlete defies the rule and wears a CI or HA, the chances that someone will be injured by it vary in probability depending on the sport. I'd think golf was one of the lest likely places where a CI or HA would be a problem. But this is a multi-sport competition and an insurance company doesn't play favorites or politics with their money. Athletes can wear braces of a certain type, but as every athlete knows, if you're so beat up that you have to use a metal brace, you don't belong on the playing field. Safety isn't a political issue.

Dennis · 12-22-2004, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rayfus

I'd take a deep breath and get a grip. Hearing athletes are required to removed jewelry, like rings, ear rings, necklaces, ankle bracelets, etc., etc. ALL the time in athletic events. Some people would wear nose rings if you let them. This is most likely an insurance issue and not some War against CI.

The other thing is, it take almost exactly ten minutes of focused concentration in a golf game to forget you don't have an HA or CI. I'm mean, if you're THAT upset without your CI, imagine what you'll do when someone in the gallery squeals like a pig just when are teeing off or putting. Don't make an issue of a non-issue. This sounds like Michael Jordon saying he won't play a basketball game without his big hoop ear ring dangling.

So, you're saying that if I took off my glasses (which serve to help me see what I'm doing) it would take me "almost exactly 10 minutes of focused concentration" to forget that I can't see? My CI is a vital and integral part of me, as much as my glasses are. I guess I should be playing without my glasses from now on because they're likely to break while playing.

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So I say, relax, go and enjoy the competition and don't get the promoter sued if somebody breaks you CI. If you do, that will probably put a permanent END to all such competition until someone can fork over the insurance premiums; and just because you couldn't take the ten minutes (if even that much time) to adjust. Grow up, young lady. The world doesn't revolve around you. That competition means a lot to everyone. The best athletes plan and train for every possible obstacle. For the deaf athlete removing your HA and CI is just something you should always incorporate into you training so you do get so psyched-out when something doesn't work out. You should train with and without you prosthesis just to be ready to kick some butt rather than crumble if your battery goes dead.

Prosthesis? Niiiice. You're insulting both those people who use assistive hearing devices AND people who use artificial limbs to live more normal lives. I guess you don't think someone who lost a limb should be allowed to use their replacement leg or arm to play either, right? No, even that would be too mean for you. Just cut it out, admit that neither hearing aids nor cochlear implants make a person "less Deaf." If they're no "less Deaf" than their non-wearing counterparts, then they should be allowed to play regardless of what their aids, because it does NOT interfere with play nor incur a liability.

Rayfus · 12-22-2004, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dennis

So, you're saying that if I took off my glasses (which serve to help me see what I'm doing) it would take me "almost exactly 10 minutes of focused concentration" to forget that I can't see? My CI is a vital and integral part of me, as much as my glasses are. I guess I should be playing without my glasses from now on because they're likely to break while playing.

Prosthesis? Niiiice. You're insulting both those people who use assistive hearing devices AND people who use artificial limbs to live more normal lives. I guess you don't think someone who lost a limb should be allowed to use their replacement leg or arm to play either, right? No, even that would be too mean for you. Just cut it out, admit that neither hearing aids nor cochlear implants make a person "less Deaf." If they're no "less Deaf" than their non-wearing counterparts, then they should be allowed to play regardless of what their aids, because it does NOT interfere with play nor incur a liability.

Dennis, since I've been wearing a hearing aid almost longer than you've been alive I'll try and be understanding about your defensiveness, unflattering though it may be. And since my own father lost a leg to diabetes when I was a child and I fetched his crutches and his prosthetic leg and his wheelchair for him I'll excuse you for not knowing that I've had that experience in my life. What I don't excuse, since I just retired from a career as a sports reporter and columnist and seem to have carried my own weight in doing so for 25 years, is your disregard for the safety of others. As an athlete myself, I always removed my hearing aid because: 1) Persperation will destroy it, 2) Other athletes will jam the ear mold into you ear in the course of rough and tumble competition, and 3) Because I witnessed a deaf athlete get her ear torn half way off in a high school state championship softball game.

If you can't see, there are such things as safety eye glasses. They aren't the most desirable thing, but officials have a responsibilty to interview athletes who wear them to make sure they are secured to their heads and are made of unbreakable material. But more to the point, there is absolutely nothing you cannot do on the athletic field if you are not wearing a HA or CI. I know this not just from my own experience, but from having watched hundreds of athletic competition over the span of 35 years. Safety isn't interested in the self-esteem of the stone deaf or the the users of prosthetic devices. If you injury another athlete when you had reasonable opportunity to avoid it, do you honestly expect people to defer to your political or self-esteem arguments? Why don't you, yourself, pay the insurance premium for this competition and make this a moot point. However, I would caution you that you can still be sued if someone suffers an ear, eye or head injury due to a loose projectile, which is all a CI or HA is when it rips flesh or an ear hook get lodged in someone's eyeball.

You are forgiven because of your youth and inexperience. I would not be if my HA punctured my own ear drum or inflicted an avoidable injury on another person.

Banjo · 12-22-2004, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayfus

Finally, the implant is SOOOOOOOOOO expensive!!!! How much? $60 to 90 thouand dollars?

Not that expensive for the cochlear implants itself. From what I remember, the implant itself cost around $18,000-$25,000. Plus much, much more are added to the expenses like the costs of the operation, medical fees, drugs, plus the speech training, batteries for the processor and more.

Angel · 12-22-2004, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayfus

I'd take a deep breath and get a grip. Hearing athletes are required to removed jewelry, like rings, ear rings, necklaces, ankle bracelets, etc., etc. ALL the time in athletic events. Some people would wear nose rings if you let them. This is most likely an insurance issue and not some War against CI.

The other thing is, it take almost exactly ten minutes of focused concentration in a golf game to forget you don't have an HA or CI. I'm mean, if you're THAT upset without your CI, imagine what you'll do when someone in the gallery squeals like a pig just when are teeing off or putting. Don't make an issue of a non-issue. This sounds like Michael Jordon saying he won't play a basketball game without his big hoop ear ring dangling.

And as for the guy who played football, that makes some sense that you'd want to hear the whistle, but the Gallaudet Bison and deaf kids in residential schools all over the the country have been playing for decades and somehow they manage to stop at the end of the play without getting on the umpire's nerves. If you're so worried about it, go explain the situation to the umpire before the game. One assumes that a deaf person knows how to compensate with their eyes. Unless you just don't want to take responsibiliity for your athletic conduct. But the thing that really got me was the problem of not being able to hear some kid ask for an autograph. Gimme a break! Who's going to prevent you from wearing you HA when you're not on the field? And if you are on the field you should have your head in the game and not be signing autographs.

Finally, the implant is SOOOOOOOOOO expensive!!!! How much? $60 to 90 thouand dollars? That's like the Queen of England wantiing to wear her crown jewels on a loop-the-loop roller coaster. Just plain unwise. You can buy a HOUSE or a college education for that amount of money. Don't do it. Do you think some sporting event promoter wants to pay for your next CI or HA or compensate you if some other athlete breaks the damn thing, even if by accident? Because the promoter of these event is the LIABLE party, forever and always. The have to post insurance bonds for accidents and they can significantly lower the cost of the event by implementing rules for this very thing - wearing posthetic devices. In the age of SOMEBODY HAS TO BE BLAMED lawsuits, I'll guarantee you this organization has to march to the drum of their insurance company no matter who gets insulted.

So I say, relax, go and enjoy the competition and don't get the promoter sued if somebody breaks you CI. If you do, that will probably put a permanent END to all such competition until someone can fork over the insurance premiums; and just because you couldn't take the ten minutes (if even that much time) to adjust. Grow up, young lady. The world doesn't revolve around you. That competition means a lot to everyone. The best athletes plan and train for every possible obstacle. For the deaf athlete removing your HA and CI is just something you should always incorporate into you training so you do get so psyched-out when something doesn't work out. You should train with and without you prosthesis just to be ready to kick some butt rather than crumble if your battery goes dead.

Rayfus

First of all I do not understand why you took my post and ranting on what your opinion is on this, when it has NOTHING to do with what I said above, make sure you got the correct quote before you start running on forever that has nothing to do with what I said above...

Another thing, I don't appreicate your insult, and if you want to speak your opinion say it in a nice way or get across to your point about my post in the right way instead of making someone feel like their own opinion means nothing or like a pile of dirt....

Lastly , think twice before you hit the submit button, next time I see another post like this, I will report this....so think TWICE!

Beowulf · 12-22-2004, 02:43 PM

The real reason golfers are not allowed to wear large buttons on their shirts is because during a swing, the button could pop off, fly into the gallery and hit someone in the eye. That person could scream, causing a police officer to panic, thinking there is a terrorist attack taking place, and his firearm could accidentally discharge, the bullet striking a telepone pole's transformer, causing it to explode in a huge shower of bright sparks. The sudden surge in electricity could conceivably affect the nearest NORAD radar station, causing blips resembling incoming thermonuclear missiles to appear on the radar screens, and in the panic, it will never be known who accidentally launched our missiles, thereby causing the end of the world.
Gotta play it safe after all.

12-22-2004, 04:07 PM

ROFL Beowulf

scottw · 01-07-2005, 09:04 PM

I am happy to hear about that. Surely, I done with sign with Petition. No problem. I agree with you. They have to right to whatever they want to wear hearing aids. Me too whatever what I want to play game, baseball, football, Golf or etc something I want. It is not important the rule. They was wrong. Do whatever you want to. I pray that God willing to take care of you. God understand what you want to play Golf! Have fun!!!

Banjo · 01-07-2005, 09:14 PM

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scottw · 01-10-2005, 10:28 PM

I wonder do you know when it will going to be court? I think Laura have to right! I believe it true! I believe Laura will be win against the case the rule have to right whatever she want!

SxyPorkie · 06-14-2006, 12:44 PM

WHOA!!!!

all golfers have not thinking about signing the certain form that every events that bans heaing aids and cohlear implants to be signed that they are at their own risks,, not the events itself....

Every one should stop and think about a form for all HAs and CI'ers to be signed that is their own responsitlity not the events...

All golfers with HA or CI should know about the form so they can sign ...

Thanks!!
SxyPorkie

gnulinuxman · 06-22-2006, 08:36 PM

I totally disagree here and think that hearing aids and especially cochlear implants should NOT be allowed.

Cochlear implants DEFINITELY should not be allowed because the users are so proud of being hearing, yet they still expect to be accepted as deaf?

Sweetmind · 06-23-2006, 12:24 PM

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That is obviously an anti-hearing movement. This person has the right to complain.

I have my rights to complain that I am so sick of having a hearing mentality all the time from audist attitude people when we are actually d/Deaf people if you mind. So therefore this is obivously an anti d/Deaf movement. Scoffs!

Thank you!

Sweetmind

Sweetmind · 06-23-2006, 12:58 PM

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The difference is, jewelry is for appearance; HA and CI are for function, like eye glasses, contacts, and knee braces.

It doesnt require to have HA or CI in sports anyway because it s too much annoying noise that you wont be able to pay attention anything. It doesnt make any sense to have devices into sports. It s more safety not to have any objections into sports anyway. Eye glasses has a safety glasses that is allowed. Thats the rules. So be it!

Also, Players are not allowed to have anything like jewelry, chewing the gums, any devices that u can play. Why bother to bicker about devices. Jeez! You are d/Deaf. Period! If you dont like then go to Hearing Olypmics then be my guest. Why must destroy our true d/Deaf people s abilities?

Dont you proud of yourself being deaf? That shows our Deaf abiliites without having any devices. We d/Deaf people have the right to show who we are that helps hearing people to see the positive outlooks that needs to be heard. So be it!

Thank you!

Sweetmind

Sweetmind · 06-23-2006, 01:15 PM

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That makes logical sense. However, I think Lauren's complaint is that she didn't have the choice. The organization forced her to remove her HA. It was your decision and choice to take off your HA while playing sports. I think that is the difference in situations.

No it doesnt make any logical sense to me anymore since we DID not have any choices since we were kids.. So Parents forced us to wear devices even though we couldnt hear everything. Many d/Deaf people have their rights not to wear it after all we went through all that abusive attitude by them. Sighs! It s no difference here.

Also, I like to add:
Well, if you have 45 db or under with your device so you are not allowed to be in Deaf school.. Thats the hearing policy! It s the same concept that they are not deaf as they think. And also forced Deaf children into mainstream with over 70 db up to 100 db. they are actually d/Deaf. ...So what is your point ?

This is very nonsesne for her to complain. Everything has to be hearing s way. Scoffs!

Thank you!

Sweetmind

Sweetmind · 06-23-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gnulinuxman

I totally disagree here and think that hearing aids and especially cochlear implants should NOT be allowed.

Cochlear implants DEFINITELY should not be allowed because the users are so proud of being hearing, yet they still expect to be accepted as deaf?

Yes I definitely agreed, and refused to sign the petition at all.

***LinuxGold*** · 06-23-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gnulinuxman

I totally disagree here and think that hearing aids and especially cochlear implants should NOT be allowed.

Cochlear implants DEFINITELY should not be allowed because the users are so proud of being hearing, yet they still expect to be accepted as deaf?

We have our own choices. If I had cochlear damage instead of auditory damage, I would've gone for cochlear implant. I do support deaf culture, in that instance, my auditory damage prevent cure of any kind, I belong to deaf culture. Cochlear Implant allows us to adapt to our everyday living i.e. communication at workplace, allowing us to accomplish our job duties and things like that, it is a good privilege for us to struggle for the best in our lives.

gnulinuxman · 06-23-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LinuxGold

We have our own choices. If I had cochlear damage instead of auditory damage, I would've gone for cochlear implant. I do support deaf culture, in that instance, my auditory damage prevent cure of any kind, I belong to deaf culture. Cochlear Implant allows us to adapt to our everyday living i.e. communication at workplace, allowing us to accomplish our job duties and things like that, it is a good privilege for us to struggle for the best in our lives.

Cochlear implants aren't what bothers me. I've noticed that SOME implantees have a high-and-mighty double-standard. I am so sick of it among SOME of those with CI's. They constantly brag about how good it is to hear, and then whine when it's convenient to do so, especially when they don't know any sign language, have no intention to learn any because they "don't need it", and they STILL expect the Deaf community to accept them.

Not all have it, but it is one reason that some culturally Deaf people have problems with implanting children. The disrespect is mutual, so it isn't just either side. It's both.

ismi · 06-23-2006, 04:54 PM

SxyPorkie: the last post before yours was in January of 2005. Could you stop necroposting? It's generally considered bad form.

ClearSky · 06-23-2006, 05:13 PM

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It doesnt require to have HA or CI in sports anyway because it s too much annoying noise that you wont be able to pay attention anything.

What the bleep are you talking about noises being distracting? No it's not! No? You don't think people need to hear whistles for penalties, etc.? I know of a young boy who had a CI and it helps him improve in football from the whistling. Don't be so ignorant and say a bunch of nonsense to satisfy your world. I never allowed sports to remove my HA's growing up. Noise did not distract me. The problem was not being able to hear whistles and feeling like an idiot not knowing when to stop because of the whistles. A CI is no difference whatsoever. A hearing person has the same risk as someone with HA or CI. Don't be so ignorant. You have a bunch of babbling comments to satisfy your Deaf world. I am sick of people making nonsense comments like this. It's obvious and you're not going to confuse anyone.

12-21-2004, 08:37 AM	#31 (permalink)
Dennis \/ It's a computer patch. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Death Star HQ Posts: 1,732	One shouldn't HAVE to bribe or go to court to show that wearing a hearing aid or cochlear implant does NOT affect one's deafness. My gosh, I wear a cochlear implant and I used to be a president of a deaf fraternity! How scandalous! The point is, it's POLITICAL, someone is on a power trip to say that deaf people are the best and has something against people who aren't CAPITAL D "D"eaf in their opinion. That means that if you have a hearing aid, cochlear implant, or other assistive device, you're not embracing deafness in their eyes. SCREW THAT. I play golf with my implant on -- because it's more natural to me. If I played without it, I wouldn't be able to interact with my hearing peers on the course as well as I interact with my deaf peers. That means without it on, I won't have as much fun playing golf with, say, my boss, than with people at deaf golf tournaments. With it ON, I interact with everyone, deaf, hearing and hard of hearing alike. THERE IS NO RISK in causing damage to my implant whether I have it on or off. If I take it off just for a deaf event, then my ability to play will change because I'm so used to practicing my swing with it on. SCREW CISS for trying to handicap me for a political reason! Last edited by Dennis; 12-21-2004 at 08:39 AM.

12-22-2004, 02:43 PM	#39 (permalink)
Beowulf Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,018	The real reason golfers are not allowed to wear large buttons on their shirts is because during a swing, the button could pop off, fly into the gallery and hit someone in the eye. That person could scream, causing a police officer to panic, thinking there is a terrorist attack taking place, and his firearm could accidentally discharge, the bullet striking a telepone pole's transformer, causing it to explode in a huge shower of bright sparks. The sudden surge in electricity could conceivably affect the nearest NORAD radar station, causing blips resembling incoming thermonuclear missiles to appear on the radar screens, and in the panic, it will never be known who accidentally launched our missiles, thereby causing the end of the world. Gotta play it safe after all. Last edited by Beowulf; 12-22-2004 at 02:56 PM.

06-22-2006, 08:36 PM	#45 (permalink)
gnulinuxman Hearing girly-man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 1,740	I totally disagree here and think that hearing aids and especially cochlear implants should NOT be allowed. Cochlear implants DEFINITELY should not be allowed because the users are so proud of being hearing, yet they still expect to be accepted as deaf? __________________ --Danny

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12-22-2004, 04:07 PM	#40 (permalink)
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01-07-2005, 09:04 PM	#41 (permalink)
scottw Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Crestview, Florida Posts: 714	I am happy to hear about that. Surely, I done with sign with Petition. No problem. I agree with you. They have to right to whatever they want to wear hearing aids. Me too whatever what I want to play game, baseball, football, Golf or etc something I want. It is not important the rule. They was wrong. Do whatever you want to. I pray that God willing to take care of you. God understand what you want to play Golf! Have fun!!!

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01-10-2005, 10:28 PM	#43 (permalink)
scottw Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Crestview, Florida Posts: 714	I wonder do you know when it will going to be court? I think Laura have to right! I believe it true! I believe Laura will be win against the case the rule have to right whatever she want!

06-14-2006, 12:44 PM	#44 (permalink)
SxyPorkie SxyPorkie Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,089	WHOA!!!! all golfers have not thinking about signing the certain form that every events that bans heaing aids and cohlear implants to be signed that they are at their own risks,, not the events itself.... Every one should stop and think about a form for all HAs and CI'ers to be signed that is their own responsitlity not the events... All golfers with HA or CI should know about the form so they can sign ... Thanks!! SxyPorkie

06-23-2006, 04:54 PM	#52 (permalink)
ismi Implanted 7/18/07 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 744	SxyPorkie: the last post before yours was in January of 2005. Could you stop necroposting? It's generally considered bad form.

06-23-2006, 07:43 PM	#54 (permalink)
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