CrazyPaul

Were deaf man's rights violated? - Houston weather, traffic, news | FOX 26 | MyFoxHouston

I say YES to that question in the title.

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Jiro

ironic..... and it has no CC....

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CrazyPaul

I know but there's an article for you to read like I did, however the deaf guy is on the video and I understood him well. As for CC, FCC will require CC in internet news' videos starting in 2014 so what can I do?

caz12

i thinks so....
i was thinking off subject in uk wales, welsh first langage the cops hospitals dr etc etc have to provide welsh interpreter if person insists (may have bl88dy long wait)..the fact more people will be english speaking and the welsh person will be fluent in english even though it wales not england,all very confusing...
i think in this mans case it bad and expect 13yr old son was bit unethical

Frisky Feline

i saw it last week. the way he was in the interviewing spot with the reporter. He looks like he was very upset about it. He knows what He was talking about. So Disgusting with polices.

I had one bad experience with police that he refused to write on the note to communicate with me. I can image how hard for him to be at the police station. My brother whos the authorized officer and was forced to interpret for the deaf criminal person. He kept telling the polices to get the professional interpreter, and it takes a long while. Jeez.

rolling7

I personally know Andy Scofield and have socialized with him and his family at the ASL socials often, perhaps even Friday if they will be there.

This issue will be the topic of our P.I.P. (Positive Interaction Program) educational and community service between H.P.D. (Houston Police Department) and the deaf community. P.I.P. is not 27 years in service of the deaf community of Houston and has kept a calm and understanding between the police and the deaf. Unfortunately, what happen to Andy was not under the control of H.P.D. It happen under the control of the Constable Office, totally separated from H.P.D.

Had it been under the control of H.P.D. there are 17 VRIs for the police to use in the field, the number is growing and we hope to have 35 by the end of the year. However, some will go into imprtant place such as the two airport, city hall, multi-service center, woman shelter, etc. Nevertheless, this issue whould have been handled differently and we will have our meeting on Tuesday...look for a follow-up report on this meeting.

As far as C.C. there was, on the regular newscast at 5pm and 10 pm, c.c. on FOX. Our local FOX is the best where it comes to c.c. and CBS is the worst. I can't say for the internet services because I do not have access to one.

Discrimination? Absolutely. However, this shows the need to step beyond H.P.D. (there are the Sheriff Dept. State Troopers, Texas Rangers and Constables) and train ALL OFFICERS in accommodation of the deafs communication needs and the rules and laws of when an interpreter is REQUIRED. Not every situation requirest an interpreter (i.e. speeding ticket, stop sign). We are getting there and I feel that Houston, in comparison to other cities (i.e. Austin, Dallas) of greater deaf population, is far ahead of those cities.

CrazyPaul

That's good to hear about HPD. By the way, how do you get to post here if you don't have access to internet?

rolling7

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CrazyPaul

So you have access to internet news as well. Anyway, unfortunately they don't have CC yet. Wait and see in 2014, maybe earlier hopefully.

Let us know what's up with him when you see him. Most of the times the police apologizes and moves on while being educated about deaf culture.

That's what happened to my wife's situation with the cop for failing to stop completely at a stop sign. He won't give her a chance to talk and he yelled and yelled at her while my little daughter was inside and got scared and cried. It was a bad experience for them.

So my wife contacted ADA who mediated the situation with her, police officer and chief. What happened was that the officer apologized to her and was required to take a course about deaf culture. That's it. My point is that the only punishment he got was a requirement to pass that course.

CrazyPaul

Now that audism is a legal word. So the incident with the deaf guy and police obviously involves audism from police.

Reba

I say YES, too.

Also, interesting on the voiceover of the clip. They referred to NAD as National Association for the Deaf instead of National Association of the Deaf. Sigh....

The 13-year-old hearing son did a very good job of voice interpreting for his dad on the clip but even the TV station did wrong by using him to interpret. They should have interviewed the boy for his own viewpoint but used a terp for the dad's statement.

Thanks for posting this.

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Frisky Feline

Agree that no one should use Deaf Adult of Kids. I always tell anyone not to use my children as my interpreters, no hell way! I don't know what will happen if it involves with the polices, and i keep to make sure they cant use my kids. I will tell them that my brother is an authorized officier then they need to know better to get a freaking interpreter.

CrazyPaul

My son and daughter sign OK, better than nothing. They don't mind interpreting for me when either one is with me anywhere anytime. No big deal. Even though Andy had a right to request for a certified interpreter cuz he didn't want to involve his underage son which is reasonable.

rolling7

UPDATE......

Andy Scofield has received permission to attend and speak at the P.I.P. meeting Tuesday. Also, FOX News had agree to come to the meeting and film and get opinions from the deaf. We have scheduled two extra interpreters, normally we have one with an intern.

MORE UPDATE TO FOLLOW TUESDAY NIGHT.

Related event is that the hearing man's dog had ben impounded by animal control as multi witness have come forward that this dog runs loose everyday. I would suppose, but can't verify, the man was given a ticket to appear before court (J.P) to plea/beg for his dog back. That is the usual process in Harris County which Houston is included.

rolling7

Related to O.P. but a little of topic. Andy could not attend the ASL social last night (Friday) but this situation was the talk of the social with 45 deaf attending. Almost all said they would try to be at P.I.P.

CrazyPaul

OIC That's great that FOX News will be there.



That proves that the dog was not leashed at the incident. What about his assault on Andy who was innocent? He should be charged.

coolgirlspyer90

I believe this man's rights were violated! He should complain to NAD or ADA about this problem! I mean law enforcement should know that he needs an interpreter when he cannot speak and only signs. And I don't know how well his children knows sign language but sometimes children should not be involved with this kind of situation; interpreting for the dad, etc. I mean I believe they should tell what they saw because they are the witnesses, and thats all they should do, tell them what they saw. But still, i think law enforcement should learn about Deaf culture and learn what they need and why they need it so that way they don't have to put up an attitude with us, and to avoid making the situation worse than it already is.

rolling7

UPDATE.....

On-line chat shows the Deaf Community will be our in force for this P. I. P. meeting
Extra foods is on order for an after-meeting round table.
I've learn one new important fact but will save it for tomorrows night report.
More to come.

dereksbicycles

If I saw a dog run towards me, I am not going to tell someone hey, you have to leash your dog. That would be least of my concern. First, I would concern myself with getting dog under control then worry about leash later.

I agree that the owner of black lab was a jerk. No need to hit someone over this.

rolling7

Got home late because a deaf woman's tire was flat and two of us guys help change the tire.

First the P. I. P. meeting started off as usual with Officer Sobata giving the welcome. He noted the many new face at were attending for the first time. We had a total of 43 attending plus two terps and CART. Then the usual guess speakers that Officer Sobata always invites. It is necessary for me to give you the highlights of this because it shows just how well H.P.D. accommodates the deaf community. The guess were members of the Homeless Division and Houston, as you can imagine, had a huge homeless population. On a serious note, the Officers explain how they came upon a deaf gentleman, Daniel, who eas way down on his luck. Using a writing tablet, Daniel explain he feared for his life tring to live on the street. Long story short, the Officers were able to get him into a men's shelter, Star of Hope, and then into a rehab program. Seem to me that is all they would do, I was wrong. The Officers actually have a before-and-after picture of Daniel on their cell phones. They got him a bank account so his SSDI could be direct deposit, a debt card so he would not have to carry cash around, then a part time job at Target (possible becoming fulltime after
probation period) and then put him in touch with VR, who helped him with a cell phone. I know I was not the only one amazed at the Officers going above and beyond the call of duty. Every city has its bad apples and Houston is no exemption but Houston also had bushels of good apples.

Officer Sobata return to speak about summer in Houston and warning not to leave kids in the car while occupied elsewhere. That could kill the child and Houston had a history of this stupid act.

Then Andy Scofield took the floor. He was there with his lawyer, Ms. Crain (hearing and ASL) who had him on a short leash. Because of this, Andy could only give a general idea of what happened that day. Nevertheless, it became known that the investigation is on-going and the DOJ and NAD are assisting. The actual responsibility belong to the Harris County District Attorney. Ms. Crain did not speak to the group but I know get wel from socials and she is a excellent lawyer for the deaf as she has a great feel for Deaf Culture. I know each of you wil be disappointed about the lack of information I can share but I too wish Andy could have said more. FOX NEWS was not there, my understanding is they had ben warn by Ms. Crain that Andy would not share much more than was already known and he would give no interview.

I'll come back to this situation and keep AD updated on and new facts and/or information.

CrazyPaul

What? Houston police officers helped a deaf homeless guy, Daniel to set up a bank account and get a job in order for him to turn over a new leaf. That's impressive.

Reba

CrazyPaul

Who is doing the investigation? If Andy has to keep quiet about it, it's because his lawyer may take his case to a court when if the investigation finds no fault on the officer.

rolling7

To the best of my knowledge, there are three seperate investigations. Primary is Harris County D.A. office in connection with the Constable Office. NAD and DOJ have their own but, as you can guess, they don't have the access that the D.A. has. No one HAS to speak with NAD AND DOJ but they HAVE TO with the D.A. (I'm not speaking of witnesses, only the involved parties).

Yes, Ms. Crain, as I said, is an excellent lawyer and will fight for Andy's rights all the way to the grave. Houston and its Deaf Community are lucky to have her living here.

rolling7

Update

Had a social at Chick-fil-A with the deaf last night and Ms. Crain was there and she shared a little with the deaf. She has sent letters and called the D.A. office for more information but is being stonewalled, very agitative week for her. We (there were eleven deaf but Andy was not there) offered her our support and suggestions. One important issue was the D.A. and Constable wanting Andy to come in and give a statement. But that is putting the cart before the horse. First, it is paramount to get a rulling (in black and white) that Andy was discriminated against on the street duing this assault.

to be continue

Barbaro

Wow! In Houston? That's so uncool. His rights are definitely violated. I hope DA better be willing to put their efforts ensuring his voice is heard. I probably think three investigation is better than one investigation.

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CrazyPaul

Deaf Sensitivity Training Video for Police Officers - YouTube

This video is great for all police officers to learn about deaf culture and our needs. Watch a clip (begin time at 10:00) about not using CODA as an interpreter in those situations.

There's one problem. What if a certified interpreter is not available at this hour?

BTW, it looks like this video popped up recently due to Andy's noted incident.

kristy2078

The best thing to do about getting an interpreter in an emergency like this is to notify the ER in advance and they will call up an interpreter with the victim en route in the ambulance. Then, the victim can get medical care and the police can take their report at the hospital. This is easier than arranging for two interpreters--one at the crime scene and another at the hospital, plus it takes time for an interpreter to drive over to the crime scene and that delays the victim's medical treatment.

CrazyPaul

Not true. I don't think ALL emergency rooms have interpreters available for deaf patients.

Reba

No, they don't.

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