Originally Posted by jiro123

and it is quite evident that our way of life is troubling when our divorce rate in USA is approximately 40-50% (or 0.38% divorces per capita)... we ought to ban marriage! It is quite evident that our education system is useless, according to National Geographic Society and Roper Organization survey found that 83% of Americans aged 18-24 could not find Afghanistan on map, we ought to ban schools! OH! OH! It is evident that our driving skill SUCKS! that 42,642 died in 2006 due to vehicle accidents, we ought to ban vehicles! PLEASE stop that ultra-liberalism crap. It makes me think you're tree-hugger, whale-hugger, anti-abortion, anti-corporation, anti-gun, anti-anti-anti. The world ain't fair and we just try to balance it the best we can. Remember - there are handful of criminals on death penalty row or life imprisonment who will kill you for your nice shoes you're wearing. Hell! they'll even kill you for sympathizing them. They don't care about your sympathy. we all make mistakes but thing is - Nowaday, the chance of wrongfully-executing somebody is very improbable. If you recall - I stated that our success rate was 96% and growing lot higher. That's why I collected some stats from anti-death penalty sites which was ACLU to make it fair for you. However - officially, 0 has been wrongfully-executed since 1900. If you want to argue about technicality of "in the light of DNA evidence" and such... bring it up to them and correct it. I'm just seeing what I see on statistic report.

[color="Red"]The divorce rate, the educational system, and car accidents are not the topic of discussion. The death penalty is the topic of offer proof of discussion. Your argruments are completely fallicious. And you keep claiming proof of something that can on;ly be assumed, not proven. I have already explained to you why it cannot be proven, and it light of the number of wrongful convictions that have been overturned since the use of DNA evidence, it is highly unlikely that your claim would ever play out as factual. You statistics and graphs offer proof of nothing, because there is inofrmation missing that could very well change the entire nature of those statistics and graphs. Therefore, they can only be used to support your position, not as absolute proof[/COLOR]. It would appear that the college from which are going to graduate has failed to teach you critical thinking skills.

It's not the naivete but our beloved Constitution and legal system allowed the criminals to appeal which drastically reduce that risk of wrongful execution. Thanks God for that! At least it's not like China! and thanks God that we continue to improve our technology rapidly such as DNA testing. We made mistakes long long time ago and it was in "new" at that time. We pretty much fixed bunch of kinks (and still improving) and now... I repeat - the chance of wrongfully-executing somebody is very improbable.

[color="Red"]Again, you need to read a bit more c arefully. You seem to read the words, but totally lack comprehension of the meaning. No one ever said that the constitution was naive. I said you were naive. And jsut because a chance is improbable does not mean it is [b]nonexistent.[/[/B And that is the whole point. The risk exists that an innocent person could be executed, which make the death penaly no more than legally sanctioned murder.COLOR]

Maybe you should be a pro-bono lawyer for them! Since you have a strong view on such issue, have you done anything for it? did you write letter to your congressman/woman? did you participate at public forum?

I actively advocate for everything in which I strongly believe. It is called living by one's ethics. Perhaps you will develop that much of a principled existence. Obviously, you haven't arrived there yet.


Evidently, you should not be on jury. You fail to be impartial. If I were on jury and if I was shown sufficient evidence and testimony beyond reasonable doubt, yes I will vote guilty (no matter what the punishment is). If you recall - I exercise extreme hesitance to shoot to kill when defending myself and my family. I don't take elimination of life lightly but mistakes do happen but that doesn't mean we should ban my gun or anything.

Once again, stick to the topic. We are not discussing the concept of guiilt beyond a reasonable doubt. We are discussing the death penalty. Nor are we discussing the banning of guns. I have served on several juries in my time. How many have you served on?

Funny thing is you claim that I fail to to support the proof when I have already shown you statistics, graph, and studies. 16 pages of this forum and you have YET given me 0 proof. I'm really enjoying your obfuscation.

And, as I said, and have explained numerous times, but which you seem to be incapable of comprehending, statisitics and graph do not constitute proof. And support for my side has been provided. You have simply failed to take the time to read it. You have chosen to remain ingnorant.


again - nope!

You demand support, and then you fail to utilize that which has been provided. Like I said, you have made a choice to remain ignorant.


maybe you should pay attention to that!
Pay attention to what, exactly?

I managed to look the articles up and provide you with formated citations. All you have to do is go to the library and read them. I've already made it easier for you than I would make it for one of my students. Show some responsibility for your own education.