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Originally Posted by jillio
Here you go. Copied and pasted from your post: It will give peace of mind to public if they were executed. Do you want Henry Lee Lucas alive in prison? (he confessed to 3,000 murders)... Andrew Cunanan (murdered 5 people including Gianni Versace)... Gerard john Schaefer (cop who killed 34 women/girls... so on Go back to your post and you will find that the names link directly back to Wiki.
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Ah.... it's just reference to their names so that audience knows who are they. If you would like me to give you government file on them instead of wiki, I can do that. We both know that is not necessary because it'll say something. Again you haven't showed me that I used wiki for my sources (other than murderers' background).
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Actually, yes. There are parenting classes. However, I was not referrring to Leibling's parenting. I was referrring to your inability to asess that for which you have niether the education nor the experience. Not to mention the liscense. You cannot make an asssessment regarding the parenting skills nor the motivations of a parent psychologicallyt with an intro course under your belt. Not to mention one that you have not even completed.
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If you read carefully what I wrote to Leibling, you will see that I did not claim to be an expert. I merely said "it seems like...." Police Officer does not need medical license or graduate-level courses to determine if you pose a danger to public or not if you were pulled over for drunk driving.
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Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about. I suggest you gain a little more information on the field of clinical psychology. And yes, I have interviewed criminals. My experience is not limited to research, papers, and shadowing. I have field experience. And, as I told you, I also have a minor in sociology and anthropology. Many of those course are directly related to the criminal population. In fact, my supervisor for my soc methods class is a criminologist. Two of my soc classes were taught by the Asst Warden for one of the largest prisons in my state. I did field work under both of them. And I find it ironic that you would question my experience and expertise when you obviously have none of what you are questioning, yet you expect us to accept your posts as knowledgeable.
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and I find it ironic that you still have not been able to prove to me with solid data/statistic that death penalty is ineffective and harmful. We ALL are still waiting for it. deathpenalty.org is not a great site to convince us.
and why don't you elaborate more on your nature of studies with criminals so we can get some better idea of your expertise in this nature of issue. what were your research about? what kind of criminals are they? what are the demographic statistic on them?
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I said FBI agents do not have the power to diagnose. And by your posting, you have admitted that they have one clinical forensic psychologist on staff. "A" means "one." And the person whom you quoted is not the one. Therefore, his quote is useless to your point as he does not have the expertise to diagnose.
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He was not diagnosing the criminals. He was given reports by . President Bush speaks at the podium to discuss about the danger that Iran poses to us. He does not have expertise to diagnose either. The intelligence analyst is certainly not going to speak at the podium! President Bush was given details and such before he speaks. Same thing for FBI Special Agent John P. Skillestead. He's merely reading from reports and conclusions compiled by professional with advanced degrees.
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I know exactly what criminologists are. How many sociological theories can you apply to criminology? I can apply several, and have done so in numerous papers. Criminologists are scholars in sociological and psychological theory as applied to the cause of deviant behavior. Shall we discuss the theoretical foundations of deviant behavior?
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Sure please share with us! I've mentioned previously that if you can convince me with overwhelming and sufficient arguments accompanied by empirical data, then I will fall to your side to abolish death penalty. Until then, I'm on my beach chair with pro-death penalty group.
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And I explained to you that your judgemental tendencies places you decidedly on the right.
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Sure why not? They have sufficiently argued their position. Therefore I agreed with them. I'm not on their side when it comes to gay rights and pro-corporation rights.
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Firstly, I never said that captial punsihment increases crime rates. Evidently, you are misreading things. Perhaps that accounts for your errors. What I said was, it does not decrease the rate of murder or violent crime. Given the fact that you seem to believe that you are so informed on sociological, criminology, and psychology, those reasons should already be obvious to you. You are looking at the situation from a very superficial perspective, but that is typical of one that has completed only an intro level course.
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To say that capital punishment does not decrease the rate of crimes... hmmmm that's interesting. Could you support your claim with reports? I believe I've counter-argued that claim. As said by Wesley Lowe - "
Dismissing capital punishment on that basis requires us to eliminate all prisons as well because they do not seem to be any more effective in the deterrence of crime."
The most striking protection of innocent life has been seen in Texas, which executes more murderers than any other state. According to JFA (Justice for All), the Texas murder rate in 1991 was
15.3 per 100,000. By 1999, it had fallen to
6.1 - a drop of 60%. Within Texas, the most aggressive death penalty prosecutions are in Harris County (the Houston area). Since the resumption of executions in 1982, the annual number of Harris County murders has plummeted from
701 to 241 - a 72% decrease.
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Series of academic studies within the last six years show that the death penalty does indeed act as a deterrent to murder. These analysts count that between 3 and 18 lives would be saved by the execution of each convicted murderer.
Naci Mocan, an economics professor at the University of Colorado at Denver, co-authored a 2003 study and re-examined a 2006 study that found that
each execution results in five fewer homicides, and commuting a death sentence means five more homicides. In an interview, he states:
"Science does really draw a conclusion...There is no question about it. The conclusion is there is a deterrent effect. The results are robust. They don't really go away. I oppose the death penalty. But my results show that the death penalty (deters) - what am I going to do, hide them?"
another proof -
do you require anything more?
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If you will go back and read this thread in its entirety, you will find that I did that before you even got started.
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I went back and I still haven't found any. All I got is you expressing concerned about executing wrong person. Guess what?
Justice Antonin Scalia of Supreme Court said "
... in the recent American history, there has not been a single case - not one - in which it is clear that a person was executed for a crime he did not commit."
I rest my case
