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Old 05-07-2008, 01:08 AM   #308 (permalink)
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Well, actually, if you kill someone in a car accident, and you were at fault for the accident, you can be charged with manslaughter. So it does apply to cases of accidental killing.
right... and your point being? I merely clarified the legal interpretation of murder and manslaughter because both has completely different punishable offenses. Murder can lead to death penalty but not manslaughter even though it's voluntary.

White collar criminals have more of a negative affect on society than do blue collar criminals. The effects of their crimes are far reaching and widespread. You stated that USA prisons were a vacation, and then you gave the reasons. What exactly did I misunderstand? You are attempting to categorize all criminals and all prisons in the same little narrow definition. That is impossible.
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And federal prisons are a part of the Untied States penal system.

And anyone who is imprisoned has something to loose. Their freedom is lost.
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Federal law supercedes state or city law.
right.. and your point being? Actually - the state/city do not have to abide by federal law on some cases. For example - death penalty is legal in USA but each state can choose to ban or legalize it. Amendment 2 enables citizens to bear arms but D.C. choose to ban it 100%. But I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Regarding the question on "mercy killing"....are you talking about euthanasia, or physican assisted suicide? They are two very different concepts, so I need to know which you are referring to in order to answer your question.
I believe I was cleared on that subject. "(Doctor/Family Member mercifully killing terminally-ill patient when the patient requested for it)." That is physician-assisted suicide. That is nowhere close to definition of euthanasia. I think euthanasia is wrong. Doctor does not have rights to judge person's life unless you're the next of kin.
To say that "white collar criminals have more of a negative affect on society than do blue collar criminals. The effects of their crimes are far reaching and widespread"... that is HIGHLY subjective because you're implying white collar crimes cause devastating damage to most public. You will need to show me convincing argument with statistic/document/studies because based on my research, blue collar crimes have more negative effect on society than white collar crimes.

Typical white collar crimes - fraud, bribery, insider trading, embezzlement, computer crime, and forgery. FBI narrowed the definition of white-collar crime to as "those illegal acts which are characterized by deceit, concealment, or violation of trust and which are not dependent upon the application or threat of physical force or violence." The sole motivation of white-collar crime is MONEY where in most cases - no physical harm done to victims. However, the government does not keep statistic on white-collar crimes because it is highly debatable about what constitutes such crime since it's so broad.

Suffice to say - white-collar crimes DO NOT kill people. blue-collar crimes do. The FBI statistic shows in 2006, there are 490 pending cases (white-collar Fraud crimes) whereas... there are 17,034 murders/manslaughters, 92,455 rapes, 860,853 aggravated assaults, and 1,417,745 violent crimes. So tell me which one is widespread and devastating for community. I suppose those "blue-collar crimes" do not concern you as much as white-collar crimes.

You say "And anyone who is imprisoned has something to loose. Their freedom is lost." Again - You did not carefully read what I just wrote. I repeat again - ""actually - USA Prisons are one big vacation because criminals who go there do not have decent life in public. They do not have any money, no shelter, no food, nothing. That's why they commit senseless crimes because they just don't care anymore. Prisons are their sanctuary." What are you going to do in free world when you're broke, useless, no friends. Your freedom doesn't mean anything to you when you're hungry and you have no roof to sleep under. That is why they resorted to crime without a concern for ramification of their actions. They have NOTHING to lose. White-collar criminals do - their money and freedom. However - most of them don't unfortunately go to jail. Just look at Enron and most of Bush's Republican cronies. Even though they were convicted of fraud, they're still laughing and having beer at their homes. Their punishments are probations, house arrests, or serve jail for a day or 2. They still get to keep most of their money stored at some Cayman Island accounts. But that doesn't bother me much because it's just life. I'm more concerned with thugs around me because your life will most likely be threatened by thugs than a greedy white-collar bastard.


You're kinda digressing a bit from main point. We're mainly debating about death penalty and you were concerned as that you perhaps thought too many people were wrongfully convicted. I've showed my case with statistic data from FBI, ACLU, and Bureau of Justice to correct your misconception and I've argued my case that death penalty is within 95% success rate so the error rate of executing wrongfully-convicted people is within acceptable margin - only 39 out of 1099. Yes I understand one innocent life is too great but like I said - we don't live in Utopia World. The benefit greatly outweighed the error. If the error rate went up to 10%... now THAT is very worrisome and there will be riot at White House!
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