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Originally Posted by owen06
I'm going to post this here because I don't know where else to post it. If anyone thinks I should have posted this somewhere else, please let me know. Sooo...sorry if you guys think this is getting too off topic.
Fredfam,
Looked at your article. Indeed it was interesting. However, a few points deserve mention here. Firstly, the experiments were conducted with Plasmodium berghei, Plasmodium gallinaceum, and Plasmodium cynomolgi bastianelli which are not commonly implicated in either malarial infection or death in humans. Interestingly, these parasites are commonly used in experiments on rodents. Secondly, these were virus-like particles and were not definitively proven to be viruses although the assays performed do suggest a viral infection of the parasite. Indeed, to quote the authors of the paper “It is not unreasonable to suppose that the oocyst capsule constitutes a physical barrier to these particles throughout the majority of sporogony and effectively contains them.” The authors repeatedly refer to the intracellular nature of these particles, impyling that the “virus” is held inside the parasite. Thirdly the authors state at the end of the paper that these particles have only been found in the Sporogonic aspect of their life cycle (inside the mosquito). Although this does not preclude their presence in the Exo-erythrocytic or Erythrocytic (both in mammals) parts of the lifecycle, it had not been proven as of the date of this articles publishing in June 1976.
Now, I thought maybe some progress had been made on this subject in the last 32 years and performed a medline search for the terms: malaria (limited to Microbiology, Parasitology, Pathology, Therapy, Transmission, Etiology) and viruses (limited to Isolation & Purification, Pathogenicity, Genetics, Ultrastructure). Unfortunately, there seems to be no link that I could identify in the 30 results that came up (dating from 1996 to May 2007) that suggested malaria might be due to a virus. If you can find a more recent paper, or even one using the parasites that commonly infect humans, please let me know because I would love to read it.
Regarding your thinking that anti-viral medications should be tried on Malaria; my search did find some papers that seem to suggest that a potential therapeutic route that is emerging is the use of various viruses, coated with antigens from the Plasmodium falciparum parasite can be used to activate the immune system. Your body kills the virus, but learns to recognize the antigens. This in turn becomes a sort of immunity that could potentially prevent the actual infection by the parasite (if it is recognized and killed before it can infiltrate red blood cells and). However, no word is out there that this is in anything more than a research-based setting. If you would like some more information I can provide it. Also, do you think you could provide a research article that implicates lysine as an effective anti-viral therapy? I’m quite genuinely interested to see how that works.
Finally, how does this relate to dinosaurs and the bible? 1) dinosaurs probably got viruses just like people, cows, plants, dogs, fishes, bacteria, and anything else that’s alive gets viruses. Secondly – the bible makes no mention of viruses…. Hmmmmm.  |
Well,,I know I had a reason for pointing this out....but dang if I can remember it..
Sometimes I get side tracked but I'll go back and read your posts again to see if I can remember what you said that triggered that thought in me. Here is some info on lysine and its mechanisem of action. The only studies I can find are on Herpies and I only have limited studies to medline as you gotta pay for the really meaty juciy articles. Bear in mind that it appears to work by suppressing argenine which could have a bad impact on heart patients, (thats my idea anyway since argenien is necessary for NO production). Anyway here's that info.
Lysine
Lysine is one of the essential amino acids. It is a building block of protein that the body cannot synthesize from other materials and, therefore, must be obtained from our diet. Different proteins have different ratios of amino acids including essential and non-essential amino acids. Arginine is another essential amino acid that must be obtained from our diet.
Lysine for Herpes
Lysine supplements and diets high in lysine and low in arginine have been used to discourage herpes outbreaks. Tissue culture studies have demonstrated that lysine inhibits viral replication. Analysis of the herpes simplex virons shows them to be rich in arginine and relatively lower in other essential amino acids including lysine. It appears that increasing the availability of lysine inhibits the utilization of arginine and slows virus replication. Experiments using Lysine supplements have shown that the intensity and frequency of outbreaks is reduced and quicker resolution of lesions is achieved.
With many natural treatments, there is a lack of testing to definitively assess the safety and efficacy of the treatment for its intended purpose. In the case of Lysine and Herpes, there have been a number of clinical studies. If you read through the references cited below, you will see that there have been conflicting results. In one study, serum lysine levels were measured.(1) It was determined that when a person's serum lysine concentration exceeded 165 nmol/ml there was a corresponding significant decrease in recurrence rate. Conversely, the frequency rate increased significantly as concentration levels fell below 165 nmol/ml. These results suggest that prophylactic lysine may be useful in managing selected cases of recurrent herpes simplex labialis if serum lysine levels can be maintained at adequate concentrations. Those studies that did not report positive results may not have used a high enough dose of lysine to be effective or the participants may have had a diet high in arginine.
It is also likely that arginine levels have an effect on results as well. If one wishes to suppress herpes virus growth with lysine supplements, it may be necessary to restrict arginine in the diet as well to keep the lysine to arginine ration in a favorable range. A list of foods with the arginine and lysine content and the arginine to lysine ratio is shown in the table below.
It should also be noted that the studies that recorded positive results noted a reduction in the frequency of outbreaks and duration of outbreaks, not a complete suppression of outbreaks. This suggests that while lysine appears to be a useful therapy, best results may be obtained by combining it with additional therapies, either natural or orthodox.
The dosage of lysine that has bee reported to keep herpes in remission and heal lesions varies from person to person. A typical dose to maintain remission has been reported to be approximately 500 mg. daily taken on an empty stomach between meals. The dosage required to induce healing has been reported to be between 1 and 6 grams between meals on an empty stomach.
Given that arginine is an essential amino acid and has important roles in endocrine function, long term arginine restriction may not be the best practice. Other treatment options may be more effective and desirable.
Another good thing for viral suppression is colloidial silver water. Very expensive but not if you learn how to make it correctly yourself. Also there are fake products of this nature on the market. So buyer beware. Here is some info on that.
The presence of Colloidal Silver near a virus, fungus, bacterium, or any other single~celled pathogen acts as a catalyst to disable those enzymes that pathogenic (disease~bearing) bacteria, viruses, and fungi require for the metabolism of oxygen to breathe and multiply. As a result, within a few minutes these physically disease~bearing microbes either starve or suffocate without any corresponding harm towards the various parts of the physical body chemistry, including enzymes. This leads to the complete physical balancing and cleansing of any disease~producing organism in the body, which are expelled from the body by the immune, lymphatic, and elimination systems.
The technical explanation for how Colloidal Silver constitutes itself is that it is manufactured by a highly technical, electro~colloidal non~chemical resonance in which particles (with 15 atoms or less) of 99.9929% fine silver are electrically charged and attached to a molecule of protein and held in suspension in a solution of de~ionized or distilled water. It is produced by passing a high~voltage electric current or frequency between two pure silver electrodes that are submerged in the water, thereby producing a specialized magnetic field. The electrical current then "peels off" microscopic~sized particles from the electrode and, at the same time, electrically charges them. Each particle of silver will have the same electro~magnetic charge, and thus will repel one another by holding themselves in suspension in the water solution. And properly prepared silver water will not turn you blue if you have a working liver.
And lastly there are zeolite products that work by trapping viral particals in a molecular cagelike matrix, (and I am aware of the different product claims and how one kind is supposed to work over another) When faced with conflicting data I always go to the product that sends for lab results on its clients to an independent lab. I called the lab that tests the zeolite manufactured by Wajora (sp?) and their product will produce the desired results using just 3 drops per day. That is the labs assesment. Of course the company insists for maximal health if one is ill the dose is 15 drops per day but the lab says thats a waste of money. ncd is the name of this product.
This product is also a safe chealating agent and will remove heavy metals and toxins without bad side effects.