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Originally Posted by Reba
Has it every occurred to you that when God said "six days", He meant "six days"?
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If the entire Bible were to be read literally, it would indeed be an outrageous book.
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Ummm, it's impossible for anyone or thing other than God to create a universe, period, regardless of how much time is factored in. Anyone (that is, God) who has the power to create a universe can do it in whatever timespan He deems best. He chose six days.
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I never denied that it was possible for God to create the universe. Read the Genesis account figuratively. The point here is that it took
six days and that is translated in
time. Evolution needs
time to gradually
evolve. This is in perfect accordance to God's original words. At least
try to understand this.
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Too bad. Someday science will catch up.
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That's funny. I'm still waiting for Creation Scientists disproving the theory of evolution.
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Ah, "it could be six eras". "Could be" and "is" aren't the same thing.
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Understand that I attempt to bring the two worlds together, not divide them. So everything is possible. You on the other hand are dismissing science. It's funny considering you're on the computer right now considering it is science that brought you this wonderful device. Why not be a caveman?
You have no idea how many times I've said "coincidental" when it comes to religion. It goes both ways.
Prove it is six thousand years old.
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For God it took only six days, yes.
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And I never denied that.
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God created something out of nothing, instantaneously. Where's the evolution in that?
It wasn't progressive; it was instantaneous.
All the events were instantaneous, without gradual changes.
Again, no gradual change.
Again, no gradual change.
God spoke them into existence immediately; no gradual changes or long times involved.
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Prove with logic, reasoning, and knowledge that it was instantaneous.
My proof that it took time rather than instantaneously is referred to science - when you say, "Turn on the light!" and someone flips the switch, the lights turns on. Is this instantaneous? No, it isn't. It took time, even if milliseconds, to allow the electricity to travel.
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God created each layer perfectly the first time. No trial and error, no corrections. Nothing needed improvement. Each layer that God created was "good".
It was good. No need for improvement.
It was good--perfect.
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And I never denied that it was perfect.
Let me introduce you to philosophy. When the world looks at a human being, they say, "It is imperfect!" Yet when the world looks at the universe, they say, "It is perfect!" While evolution itself may go through "trial and error" (which is not entirely true), the evolution process itself is perfect.
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Part of the definition of evolution is gradual change. Where's the gradual change?
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From void and inhabitable to Earthly and livable. This is the change - a progression over time (in six days on God's terms).
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God put the grass there as grass; it didn't development from some other material. God put the individual herbs and trees there, bearing seeds and fruit of their own species, not any intermediate species. They were complete, mature, ready to eat.
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I would agree with you if you read it literally. Unfortunately, it just doesn't happen like that when it comes to science. There's a reason why all living things have DNA. Perhaps you need some Biology 101.
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God assigned the celestial lights their places and orbits; they weren't gradually developed.
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Then explain how the Big Bang Theory came through? Then explain how the Hubble Law came through? You're showing me quite a lot of ignorance in science. God encouraged faith with reason. You're just not doing that.
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They were all created in one same day, the sea creatures in the sea, the birds in the air, and the land animals on the land; one group didn't move from one environment to another. The sea creatures stayed in the sea, the birds stayed in the air, and the land animals stayed on the land. No creatures changed from one group to another.
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That is what you
think. To support my position and to make it very clear, I will use the Qur'an:
Allah has created from water every living creature: of them there are some that creep upon their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and yet, some that walk on four; Allah creates what He pleases; surely Allah has power over everything. (24:45)
Have not the unbelievers ever considered that the skies and the earth were once one mass, then We split them asunder? And We have created every living thing from water. Will they still not believe? (21:30)
Those two verses clearly define
Hubble's Law and the very fact that
all living things came from water? This goes into perfect accordance with science. Will you still not believe?
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Each creature was after its own kind (species). One species didn't become another.
Again, each species after its own kind.
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But they certainly came from water.
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Evolution requires passing down genes but passing down genes does not require evolution. People have been passing down genes for thousands of years but they're still people. There's no evolution happening in that process. No new species popping up.
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You must not be paying attention to the news. New species are being found every single day. Passing down genes will have mutations with them. That alone is evolution as well! People are still people, certainly, but that does not disprove evolution itself. I never said that human beings came from apes either.
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Man was created totally separate from the animals. He was created in God's image. He was created in a manner different from the animals. Man was not the result of "a long time of time and progress", and he didn't just "appear".
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So, Man did not just appear? So you agree it was not instantaneous?
You must not understand at this point.
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No, each verse shows specific creation acts; there's no "growth" or multiplication during the six days. The first generation of all living things are established during the six days. The multiplying happens in the subsequent generations.
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Nonetheless, they are
still progress. Keyword: progress. If you deny that, then you're delusional.
