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Originally Posted by rabbit
Firstly, let's not start jumping to conclusions, I didn't create this thread to start fights and if people start insulting and fighting I'm going to have the thread closed so let's try to be friendly here.
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The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. Veiled insults are still insults. Reverse the implication of some of your and Vamp's posts, and I wonder how insulted YOU might feel, if the situations were reversed. Implying (or coming right out and SAYING) that having pride in being gay is something that should be "kept to one's self" is, in and of itself, insulting. So in that, my dear Rabbit, you fired the first salvo. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, especially giving your reply to my first post... but that doesn't mean that I'm going to sit on my hands while I watch some posters here imply that gays/lesbians are less worthy than straight people.
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Originally Posted by rabbit
IMO, it's not just THIS form of pride that bothers me, I don't really like pride of any kind (I think it's slightly OK if you keep it to yourself and keep it IN CHECK), I'm a firm believer of the saying "Pride goes before a fall".
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And I'm a firm believer in "Live, and let live". Sorry to hear that pride of any kind bothers you (although to be honest, I find that a little hard to believe), but the fact remains that people deserve to feel pride in themselves for who they are, and to be quite honest, they don't really need your approval (or anyone else's) to do so.
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Originally Posted by rabbit
I think that if people prove their worth they wont have to MAKE others believe it by surrounding them with all kinds of things that tell them they should be accepting of whatever it is.
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Which came first, the chicken, or the egg? I wonder why there might be a NEED for pride (gay, black, deaf, whatever). Could it be that there are people in this world who will go out of their way to constantly remind people that are "different" that they are not "equal to everybody else that's
normal"?? Pride in who you are is less about the "boastful" kind of pride (that you say goeth before the fall), and more about the "self-esteem" kind. So, saying to someone that they're not deserving of taking pride in who they are is akin to saying they're not deserving of self-esteem. To which I say, :bs:!
And as for proving someone's worth... who has been appointed to judge whether someone is worthy? You? I'm sorry, but that statement made by you is ALSO offensive. You claim you didn't start this thread to start fights... but I wonder if you're giving enough consideration to how your own words are inflammatory.
Or... was your intention different than what you've claimed?