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Originally Posted by netrox
CyberRed,
Effeminate is a relative term. It's not absolute. What's considered effiminate may not be effeminate in other cultures. For example, long hair is sometimes considered effiminiate yet some think its masculine.
Japanese men are considered more effiminate than European men since they have little body hair and less muscle tone.
In that verse, Paul was clearly talking about men who acted like women. Nowadays, I am sure he'd be appalled at how effiminate men are nowadays and how some women are leaders of churches. The problem I have with Paul is that he's a cultural bigot and his letters were all his opinions and delusions.
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Lev 18:22 " its disgusting for a man to have sex with another man". (CEV) Romans 1 talked about that similar way. As cultural, many extremist using those verses without understanding the purpose why Paul wrote. Bec not thinking cultural is part of it, which is part of it. For example, look btwn the different God did toward King David and King Saul. Why God bless David more? Bec God looks the heart. King David sufferewd severe consequences. God cut off Saul, why? Debauchery and pride and kept in his heart which why God couldn't able to work with him. David, he was broken heart, each in different time when he has been. Like King David commited conspiracy. But he covered it up for a year, till God came toward Nathan, King David respond differently than Saul. This is similar for all of us. Jesus identified our struggles and He paid off our debtss, but we have to take our accountable to God everything we do, think and say. When I watch how Jesus talked and walked along with how people around me by how to share it properly. Many christians fail to follow that. It does not mean being open mind or being judgemental. Have to know the person. Each person have to agree how God sees us and what we need to do. God is full of grace and love and He also is God of judgement and vengeance. I'm not against women preachers, its depend what type of women they are. Paul rebuke women of poor behavior. I'm very strong supporter of Joyce Meyers, she has a very great example how she teaches. Biblehas very broad examples. Those who studies and allow God to speak to them in daily or most of the time will be enlighten and see what God is saying. Most does not use Bible properly and even humanist using it without understanding it. Tho, there will never be agreement, just like Pharoah and Moses, for example. Jesus and religious leaders, people take side since creation.
Black sheep always in the midst.