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Unread 11-15-2011, 11:24 AM   #153 (permalink)
Reba
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You are kidding, right? If that were so, Black men would never have been lynched for not looking down when walking past a white woman.
Unlike you, I don't find the Constitution to be a joke.

The laws have been in place. It's up to the authorities to properly enforce them. The lynchings were stopped BEFORE the hate crimes laws were enacted.

If you believe that the laws that were already in place were ignored what makes you think that hate crimes laws wouldn't be ignored? Doesn't it still boil down to enforcement?

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So, a guy that gets into a fight with his friend in a bar and is charged with assault and someone who goes out "gay bashing" just for the pure fun of it should receive the same charges and the same penalties?
If the same amount of damage is done, then, yes.

BTW, what was the motive for the bar fight?[/quote]

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Please. Intent has always been a facet of our criminal codes.
Not really. People are put on trial for their actions, not their intentions. (At least, so far; thought crimes haven't been put on the books yet.)

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They are a step in the right direction. Doing nothing about the abominable situation is not.
Putting hate crimes on the books, and doing nothing aren't the only two options.


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That is directly measurable through intent.
How do you measure "intent?" Is that quantifiable? Does one person hate 3.75 times as much as another person?


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No, you can't. But you can certainly punish those that use their disgusting hatred to do harm to others.
It's not necessary for hate crimes legislation in order to do that. Anyone who harms another should be punished, period.

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That is what hate crimes laws are doing.
That's what all laws should do. Additional laws for enforcing current laws aren't necessary.

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To ingore the injustice perpetrated disproportionately on marginalized populations, and to say, "Hey, you get the same protection everyone else does" is a joke. The populations would not be marginalized in the first place if justice, opportunity, and rights were equal in this country.
How do hate crimes protect marginalized populations who are victims of crimes that aren't hate based? They don't.

So-called hate crimes laws do nothing to protect marginalized victims from attack. They are feel-good panaceas that don't do much of anything productive.
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