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Anij · 10-13-2010, 03:21 PM

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MCE (manually coded English) is primarily used as a mode to show ENGLISH visually...

Most of the people who use MCE are new signers, who's first language is ENGLISH - they have difficulty learning ASL's grammar (as do most people who learn a new language) ... As such when these people (who think in English) are signing they tend to retain a more "English form" to their signing .... Very much like when French/English immersion students are learning both languages they will sometimes apply language rules from one language to the other - in the case of French&English the result is a Pidgen called "Franglais" ...which is a spoken language equivalent to what MCE is to ASL.

Bill - you have a number of misconceptions, ignorances (meaning lack of knowledge) and prejudices about ASL ... I'm not sure if this is because you had a negative experience when you starting associating with CHS, or if you feel that if you learn and use ASL people will think differently of you (look down to you, think you're 'stupid' etc) or what the issue is ... However I would encourage you to make a choice:

A) consider learning more about ASL from local ASL users (many of whom are well respected professionals, and many of whom, like myself also speak) so that you can learn what ASL is REALLY like

Or

B) refrain from posting about ASL while you are ignorant about the topic.

CHS has a number of ASL classes, and the T.O. Area has a number of opportunities to socialize with ASLers (many of whom also speak) which would allow you to actually learn about what ASL really is - you may be surprised and find that if you give it an honest chance you may even like it ...heck, you may make some fantastic new friends who share much in common with you - as well as having a slightly different perspective (always great for conversations!!)

If you are interested in learning some basic ASL, and have a webcam - I'd be happy to show you some basic signs using one of the many free IM programs which have simultaneous video and text capabilities.

If you aim is to be informative and helpful to others - please stick to posting on topics in which you are well versed/educated ... So that others looking for information are able to find accurate comments by individuals well versed/educated and informed on which they post.

Mis-information based on prejudice & ignorance is almost always worse and more harmful than no information at all.

10-13-2010, 03:21 PM	#36 (permalink)
Anij Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,087	Wirelessly posted (Blackberry Curve 8310) MCE (manually coded English) is primarily used as a mode to show ENGLISH visually... Most of the people who use MCE are new signers, who's first language is ENGLISH - they have difficulty learning ASL's grammar (as do most people who learn a new language) ... As such when these people (who think in English) are signing they tend to retain a more "English form" to their signing .... Very much like when French/English immersion students are learning both languages they will sometimes apply language rules from one language to the other - in the case of French&English the result is a Pidgen called "Franglais" ...which is a spoken language equivalent to what MCE is to ASL. Bill - you have a number of misconceptions, ignorances (meaning lack of knowledge) and prejudices about ASL ... I'm not sure if this is because you had a negative experience when you starting associating with CHS, or if you feel that if you learn and use ASL people will think differently of you (look down to you, think you're 'stupid' etc) or what the issue is ... However I would encourage you to make a choice: A) consider learning more about ASL from local ASL users (many of whom are well respected professionals, and many of whom, like myself also speak) so that you can learn what ASL is REALLY like Or B) refrain from posting about ASL while you are ignorant about the topic. CHS has a number of ASL classes, and the T.O. Area has a number of opportunities to socialize with ASLers (many of whom also speak) which would allow you to actually learn about what ASL really is - you may be surprised and find that if you give it an honest chance you may even like it ...heck, you may make some fantastic new friends who share much in common with you - as well as having a slightly different perspective (always great for conversations!!) If you are interested in learning some basic ASL, and have a webcam - I'd be happy to show you some basic signs using one of the many free IM programs which have simultaneous video and text capabilities. If you aim is to be informative and helpful to others - please stick to posting on topics in which you are well versed/educated ... So that others looking for information are able to find accurate comments by individuals well versed/educated and informed on which they post. Mis-information based on prejudice & ignorance is almost always worse and more harmful than no information at all. __________________ Hoh/Deaf ~ +120db deaf right , mild/mod flux left & APD English & ASL ...PAH!! Ignorance is NOT Bliss Last edited by Anij; 10-13-2010 at 06:19 PM.