sculleywr

Ok, have you ever drunk so much you did something illegal? Or maybe you have taken some illegal substance? Or maybe you're just a chronic speeder. Fine, No more driving for you. No mercy for you, the sinner. If we followed that philosophy in America, America would be no better than Hitler's Nazis.

Yes, she was an idiot. No, she is NOT irredeemable. What if YOU were in her shoes? Wouldn't you want some mercy? Or are you really the way you come off on this thread? Are you really a sick, uncaring, unfeeling, unremorseful person who thinks mercy is a tool of the weak?

I live in the Union Gospel Mission, run by the Reverend Jon Rector, who has more mercy in his pinky finger than me, my friend in staff there, the rest of staff, and my parents have between us all. UGM was founded upon the fact that NOBODY is irredeemable. And it has proven it many times. A place that has taken a drug -addicted drunkard with a sex problem and turn out a respectable, employed (albeit, employed at the mission) pastor that delivers well-constructed intelligent messages has the right to be an authority on the topic of who is redeemable. There are people out there that have done ten times worse than the octo-mom has ever even dreamed of doing that have been redeemed in places like the UGM and Salvation Army and others. Are you saying that we should just throw every person who has a problem into a bonfire? Because the screennames that would fall on top of the list:

sculleywr
LuciaDisturbed
Jillio
Maria

Just take the entire list of screennames on this website, and you could add them to this list. Everyone has a problem with stupidity of some sort.

Your sig says you are afraid of what people do in the name of their god. I do this in the name of mine, and she, while undeserving, deserves forgiveness as much as everyone here from the founder all the way down to the newbie poster who joins in the future. It was this same philosophy of forgiveness and enabling that has given the Deaf, the black man, and the woman the rights we enjoy now. More than anything, she needs us to help her understand what her responsibility is in her position, and what the consequences of her future actions.

"What's done is done, and can never be undone." A quote from a character named Depa Billaba in Shatterpoints. You can't undo what's been done. But you can shape the future. If you think that kids deserve their mother's attention, then taking the kids away from the octo-mom without giving her the opportunity to EARN them back is the most hypocritical thing you can say.

So, I put it to you, are you redeemable? Am I, an unemployed homeless man that failed college my first time round, redeemable? If your answer to the two are yes, then the answer for her, and EVERY other person who has screwed up on such a monumental level is redeemable. If it is no, then nobody here, on this earth, is redeemable.