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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))
The people know Bush Administration what tax system is about before they voted him, donīt they?
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we all do get some general idea but we don't know how is it being allocated to and it is not up to us.
lol... lol... no no -
Where do you think gas comes from? Middle East.
Who sell gas? Middle East.
Who profits from it? Middle East.
So when you buy gas - your money goes to Middle East's pocket. Your money MAY somehow gets trickled down to funding extremist groups to fight against Israelis or whatever.
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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))
Rich people pay more % healthcare insurance out of their gross income than normal people...
Example: A rich person/middle class person/low class person earn approx: 5,5% of healthcare per month.
5,5% = $330 take out of $6,000 gross income for healthcare... (rich person)
5,5% = $165 take out of $3,000 gross income for healthcare... (middle class person)
5,5% = $55 take out of $1,000 gross income for healthcare... (low class person)
They get equal treatment, no matter what. If they want private healthcare then they have to pay extra... I hope you get what I am trying to explain?
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sounds nice but what if the surgery is $5,000? How will low-class person pay for it? The rich person's tax makes up for it. Now - obviously in USA.... there are far too many low-class people and middle class people needing costly medical cares. There is no money for it unless the tax rate is more than 20% to cover for all. That's why it's not going to work.
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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))
free clinics???? No, itīs not free because you work to pay medicard tax for low income people, donīt you? Itīs bad that you work to pay tax for them, not including for yourself.
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Yes there are free clinics but it's mediocre. It provides basic medical attentions. It's still better than nothing. It depends on town/city to provide free clinic. It's funded by our tax money... and some by donations.
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But many Americans see different as you because they need health insurance for family badly, thatīs why they want to vote Obama.
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It's just a hindsight. Whatever the problem the person is having, they will take any opportunity to get it resolved while ignoring other issues or how it works. We all have seen this.
2004 Election - say the word "terrorist... 9/11" - that's why Bush got reelected and the voters did not realize about high cost, high debt, etc.
2008 Election - say the word "affordable health care" - perhaps Obama will get elected but then the voters would not realize that this mean a bump up in tax and various of other things.
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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))
Yes I understand what you mean but many Americans who married to Europeans and live in Europe countries and said positive and also say in their opinion that US should do the same which is more easy for families... (links, I posted somewhere at Bradīs thread). They said that their life is easier than they were in America. 
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ok but that "many Americans" are not the accurate representation of Americans in here.
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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))
Yes, we have high gas price including different taxes for vehicle... We find the way to aviod for use car a lot due gas expenses is use bicycles, get few years old car with gas save..., transportation... Use bus and train is cheaper than car.
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We have cheap car, car gas, cheap tax compared to you. Our land is vastly expansive. Clearly - you have a geographical advantage to have an efficient mass transit system. We don't. It's too costly.
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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))
How do you know that it doesnīt work in America? Why canīt you give Obama the chance to improve and change the country?... It doesnīt mean that Obama follow EU system to work on US system when he want to help the people to get their life easier.
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How do you know it'll work in America? Just because it works in UK or whatever doesn't mean it'll work in USA. Good luck changing things on federal laws/system scale. We have a very wide range of diversity of all classes, wealth, etc. and we have 50 states. Not that easy. If Obama really thinks his plan will work - then he should have ran for governor of Illinois and implement his plan. That's a good start. Romney already started his plan in Massachusetts. What's Obama got to show? absolutely nothing. zip. nada.
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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))
Example: Before Iraq war was started, Tony Blair (UK) improved and changed the country as what he promised before he won at his 1st election. He did it successful... I see why not if Obama want to change and improve the country as well. If you want the country remain unchanged which mean that you agree with the way what and how Bush Admin. with tax system for war issues, medicard for low income people, etc., not healthcare for yourself.
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Must be real easy for him to do it... beside.. the size of UK is a pea compared to USA. Don't worry, hon.. Bush Administration is nearly over. I repeat - McCain Administration is not a continuation nor extension nor a duplication of Bush Administration. Every system/policy/law/etc. changes for each Administration.
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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))
Remember, the decision is yours either you want to see your country to improve and change or not.
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Obama's plan is too big of a change and it is unrealistic. Don't get me wrong - his plan is great and lovely but I highly doubt he can pull it off. Not at his level of experience.