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Liebling:-))) · 06-25-2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

No, this is not

, it's not just Lt. Watada but any military who refuses are welcome to post here. You know that Lt. Watada is not only one who refuses to deploy at Iraq. I want to say that the soldiers can say No to the order.

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Fact #1: The issue is about Lt. Watada - not other soldiers.

Fact #1: - No, it's not just Lt. Watada's issue. It's about Iraq refusal accord the title of my thread and also links, I posted in previous posts.

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Fact #2: The issue about Lt. Watada refusing the order of deployment.

Fact # 2: Accord the title of my thread "Soldier on trial for Iraq refusal". It's about Iraq refusal for any soliders, not just Watada.

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Fact #3: His legal argument based on illegality of the war is IRRELEVANT

Fact # 3: What Watada said is correct about violate the Constitution, international law and Army regulations. Accord the links, I posted yesterday that Bush ignored military rules and regulations. We including politicans know it and can't do anything against him, even can't impeach him which is really sad. That's why I said that Lt. Watada is brave to stand up himself against Iraq war as an illegal to the public and the world..

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Fact #4: He was not ordered to kill the innocent people

Fact #4: Do you mean Watada should not have gun with him to defend himself there? Did you know what kind of country Iraq is? Do you really think government send their soliders to Iraq without weapons?

Thousands of innocent Iraqis are being killed thru weapons... Check the links, I posted few days ago and other link... "Why didn't you shoot?" some of the other soldiers asked him. "Next time you shoot," they ordered. He's right "It's my human right to choose not to kill innocent people,"
"I can't go back to Iraq" | The Dominion

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Fact #5: He was offered an office duty in Iraq so how is he being ordered to kill innocents unless he's the one who ordered soldiers to kill innocents.

Fact #5. US/Iraqi civillans and officers who stay in the office were being killed in Iraq. this is happens that's why they use weapons. Watada do not want to risk his life over that oil.

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Please stick to the topic in your own thread. We're arguing about Lt. Watada's case, not other soldiers. Most of us have concluded that he illegally disobeyed the order of deployment.

We argue about war refusal where the title of my thread is about. Yes I posted Watada's case in first place and more soilders refused to go Iraq war, not just him. I do not consider Watada as an illegal but he has the right to say NO to illegal war when he felt it's illegal war accord the links of his interview yesterday.

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I have not seen any one other person in this thread who supported Lt. Watada.

There're many Iraq war threads around the Forum who are against Iraq war and knew it's wrong to send soliders there to death. Why should ADers repeat their view on this thread for when we already debated in many Iraq War threads in the past. Yes, we know it's wrong to send troops there to death.

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So my figure was off by 50 people...

You said "many" escaped to Canada perhaps in an "exaggerated" manner so I wanted to clarify it. and we're not concerned with deserters during Vietnam War.

I still consider 50 or 250 or 300 as many... I only showed you the link that many websites say differently.

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It is

. Stick to Iraq War issue please... more specifically - stick to Lt. Watada's case.

Yes, we can talk about Lt. Watada's case but ADers are welcome to post new links about other Lt. Watada to here because it's about "Iraq Refusal" when it's not just Watada.