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Liebling:-))) · 06-21-2008, 10:59 AM

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OK - 3-4 sites against each other over "fact" but guess who usually wins? The one with substantial amount of facts/statistics/proofs/LAWS that actually back it up. Most of time - "protesters" sites do not win the validity test. All they rely on is victims' words and they cloud their view/judgment with emotions and sympathy.

Each person is different. I rather to look at both side, not one side. If I see he did something for no reason then I would not support him because he violate the law but he has a good reason to point out then I support him.

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Byrdie has seen both side and concluded Lt. Watada is guilty of charges. why? because he violated the contract. plain and simple.

But Walata´s lawyer is on his side after read his contract and know something wrong. I have re-read and saw the point why Walata reject.

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Did you not read my links to Enlistment Contract and 2 sites explaining how to read that contract? I even went extra measure to show you how and why soldiers cannot leave at anytime they want. But you choose to ignore the FACTS and you choose to use your personal experience, soldiers' misery, etc. as the FACTS. Are you calling White House, Congress, Pentagon and the laws a LIAR?

No, it´s not what I am trying to explain/say. Yes I have read and save your link. I do not say anything that you are wrong but I want to say the problem is soliders beleive in their employer´s word out of mouth before they sign which they thought they trust their employer. What I say it´s manpilutation what he/she made toward soliders. What employer did is ignore the law because they are supposed to correct solider´s questions. Yes, they were being advised to see the lawyer if they doubt employer´s word. The lawyer will explain correctly what he/she read the contract if the solider want to question. It´s bad if they already signed.

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No - Not at all. If you do not agree to military contract or want something added, NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

Yes, they can if they want to. I gave my contract to my lawyer for over change work time. He wrote a letter to my Employer and they agree to add something on my employee agreement contract. My hubby does the same as well last January. Our employer see no problem for that because we did not sue our employer but want our contract to be safety.

We also have no problem if our employer say no and stick our work time. It does the same with my house as well. We deal each other until we agree then add on agreement contract then we sign. The miltary´s law remain unchanged but for a solider, they can add for a solider with miltary´s permisson.

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The Enlistment Contract is AS IS. You have 2 simple choices - sign it or leave. Read #3 link - "Technically, the military owns you for the eight years subsequent to signing your contract" and "This is a decision that will impact the next eight years of your life, and is not to be taken lightly." I do not understand why do you keep using your lawyer example. That is none of my concern and soldiers' concerns. Your case does not apply to the soldiers. You are a CIVILIAN! You are not a military personnel. As a civilian - you are free to adjust the contract with anyone. For soldiers - NO - the contract is AS IS. 2 choices - SIGN IT or LEAVE

I tried to say that IF soliders doubt they understand the contract then check with lawyer until they convince and then agree or not. If they disagree then not sign. You & I said the same thing in previous posts.

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I highly highly suggest you to show this contract to your lawyer friend and then come back to me - show me where in the contract and laws (such as Stop Order Policy) that the government has violated.

I never said that Government violated the Stop Order Policy. I would not like to repeat it.

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I understand perfectly. I wonder if you do. By saying "they CAN ignore the law if they wish" is a serious accusation. What's even worse is you made accusation without evidence. Yes it's a well-known fact that we all break the laws but what will happen to us if we get caught? WE GET PUNISHED. Plain and simple. Yes I drove above the speed limit. Yes the accounting firm fudged Enron's bank account. Yes the high-ranking officer has sexual relationship with the lower-ranking officer. Yes the doctor will double-charge you or add couple of things that you never had to your bill. But what will happen to us if we're brought to court? WE GET PUNISHED!

I would suggest you to check MANY threads including links to see yourself etc. That´s how I learn and agree that the law could be ignore SOMETIMES.