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Old 06-21-2008, 10:36 AM   #71 (permalink)
Byrdie714
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Originally Posted by jiro123 View Post
OK - 3-4 sites against each other over "fact" but guess who usually wins? The one with substantial amount of facts/statistics/proofs/LAWS that actually back it up. Most of time - "protesters" sites do not win the validity test. All they rely on is victims' words and they cloud their view/judgment with emotions and sympathy.


Byrdie has seen both side and concluded Lt. Watada is guilty of charges. why? because he violated the contract. plain and simple. Did you not read my links to Enlistment Contract and 2 sites explaining how to read that contract? I even went extra measure to show you how and why soldiers cannot leave at anytime they want. But you choose to ignore the FACTS and you choose to use your personal experience, soldiers' misery, etc. as the FACTS. Are you calling White House, Congress, Pentagon and the laws a LIAR?

I'll repost again -
You quoted "Of course lawyer can write a letter to miltary or contracter to ask something for clarify and deal. If Miltary or contractor agreed then add something in writing on the contract."
No - Not at all. If you do not agree to military contract or want something added, NOT GONNA HAPPEN. The Enlistment Contract is AS IS. You have 2 simple choices - sign it or leave. Read #3 link - "Technically, the military owns you for the eight years subsequent to signing your contract" and "This is a decision that will impact the next eight years of your life, and is not to be taken lightly." I do not understand why do you keep using your lawyer example. That is none of my concern and soldiers' concerns. Your case does not apply to the soldiers. You are a CIVILIAN! You are not a military personnel. As a civilian - you are free to adjust the contract with anyone. For soldiers - NO - the contract is AS IS. 2 choices - SIGN IT or LEAVE


I highly highly suggest you to show this contract to your lawyer friend and then come back to me - show me where in the contract and laws (such as Stop Order Policy) that the government has violated.


I understand perfectly. I wonder if you do. By saying "they CAN ignore the law if they wish" is a serious accusation. What's even worse is you made accusation without evidence. Yes it's a well-known fact that we all break the laws but what will happen to us if we get caught? WE GET PUNISHED. Plain and simple. Yes I drove above the speed limit. Yes the accounting firm fudged Enron's bank account. Yes the high-ranking officer has sexual relationship with the lower-ranking officer. Yes the doctor will double-charge you or add couple of things that you never had to your bill. But what will happen to us if we're brought to court? WE GET PUNISHED!


Do you only read only selective words in a complete sentence? I did not insult you directly or indirectly. You ignored my complete sentence that is in no way, shape, form any kind of insult - I said "If you want to make a statement like "ignored their own law sometimes" - then you need to prove it. Otherwise it makes you look like - a some conspiracy theorist or a reporter for tabloid newspaper."

TRY TO BE OBJECTIVE!


**Please do not reply to my post if your answers are still same. Getting tired of restating my same answers in 10 different ways**
Best said.

I don't know why we are continuing to debate with this individual as all she does flame anti-American sentiments, troll the boards, and inflame individuals due to political differences.

I get the impression she isn't in it for the debate, just to prove that she is right and everyone else is wrong.
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