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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))
Yes, we can because we shares their own experience to know what and how it doing and can say something difference. You can´t ignore someone´s experience to beleive in websites only. Each website have different knowledge and opinion, some Fact and some opinion. I beleive in real life experience situation and original than the medias from any websites written. I am not saying that website is false but they write their own view, knowledge and opinion. I often see 3 or 4 websites to against each other over "fact". I have one Ader who PMed me about his/her experience to work for US Army as well. She/He rather to share real life experience with me privacy than public post because her/his experiences had been denied in the past and beleive websites more than her/his experiences. I do not have to tell everything what I know them in real life but share some. Anyone need to open their mind to listen both side, not one side. I would not post if I don´t have any experiences.
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OK - 3-4 sites against each other over "fact" but guess who usually wins? The one with substantial amount of facts/statistics/proofs/LAWS that actually back it up. Most of time - "protesters" sites do not win the validity test. All they rely on is victims' words and they cloud their view/judgment with emotions and sympathy.
Byrdie has seen both side and concluded Lt. Watada is guilty of charges. why? because he violated the contract. plain and simple. Did you not read my links to Enlistment Contract and 2 sites explaining how to read that contract? I even went extra measure to show you how and why soldiers cannot leave at anytime they want. But you choose to ignore the FACTS and you choose to use your personal experience, soldiers' misery, etc. as the FACTS. Are you calling White House, Congress, Pentagon and the laws a LIAR?
I'll repost again -
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Of course lawyer can write a letter to miltary or contracter to ask something for clarify and deal. If Miltary or contractor agreed then add something in writing on the contract."
No - Not at all. If you do not agree to military contract or want something added, NOT GONNA HAPPEN. The Enlistment Contract is
AS IS. You have 2 simple choices - sign it or leave. Read #3 link -
"Technically, the military owns you for the eight years subsequent to signing your contract" and
"This is a decision that will impact the next eight years of your life, and is not to be taken lightly." I do not understand why do you keep using your lawyer example. That is none of my concern and soldiers' concerns. Your case does not apply to the soldiers. You are a
CIVILIAN! You are
not a military personnel. As a civilian - you are free to adjust the contract with anyone. For soldiers - NO - the contract is
AS IS. 2 choices - SIGN IT or LEAVE
I highly highly suggest you to show this contract to your lawyer friend and then come back to me - show me
where in the contract and laws (such as Stop Order Policy) that the government has violated.
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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))
No you don´t understand... The fact, they can ignore the law if they wish. I am not saying that the law could be ignore all the time but sometimes. one ADer and I know real life experience because we both work for US Army. I am sorry that you don´t want to see but it´s really truth that we all including Government, Employer, doctor, etc ignore/violate/obey the law. Yes it´s a fact.
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I understand perfectly. I wonder if you do. By saying "they CAN ignore the law if they wish" is a serious accusation. What's even worse is you made accusation without evidence. Yes it's a well-known fact that we all break the laws but what will happen to us if we get caught? WE GET PUNISHED. Plain and simple. Yes I drove above the speed limit. Yes the accounting firm fudged Enron's bank account. Yes the high-ranking officer has sexual relationship with the lower-ranking officer. Yes the doctor will double-charge you or add couple of things that you never had to your bill. But what will happen to us if we're brought to court? WE GET PUNISHED!
Do you only read only selective words in a complete sentence? I did not insult you directly or indirectly. You ignored my complete sentence that is in no way, shape, form any kind of insult - I said "
If you want to make a statement like "ignored their own law sometimes" -
then you need to prove it.
Otherwise it makes you
look like - a some conspiracy theorist or a reporter for tabloid newspaper."
TRY TO BE OBJECTIVE!
**Please do not reply to my post if your answers are still same. Getting tired of restating my same answers in 10 different ways**