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Old 06-19-2008, 10:07 AM   #7 (permalink)
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ever heard of STOP-LOSS POLICY? You're making it sound like they were illegally forced to extend the contract agreement. Soldiers should be aware that they are subjected to Stop-Loss Policy at anytime as long as they're soldiers. They signed the agreement for that so tough luck! President George Bush Senior has used Stop-Loss Order for 1990 Persian Gulf War.

New Army Stop-Loss Policy
Army Public Affairs


Ordering soldiers to go to war (even if it's illegal) is NOT illegal. BUT ordering soldier to gun down a crowd of civilians IS ILLEGAL. Therefore, that officer IS GUILTY of disobeying the Command in Chief and on all charges. He's lucky not to be charged with MUTINY which is punishable by harsh penalties or possibly death penalty (not always).

The United States’ Uniform Code of Military Justice defines mutiny thus:

Art. 94. (§ 894.) Mutiny or Sedition.
(a) Any person subject to this code (chapter) who—
(1) with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;
(2) with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or other disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;
(3) fails to do his utmost to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition being committed in his presence, or fails to take all reasonable means to inform his superior commissioned officer or commanding officer of a mutiny or sedition which he knows or has reason to believe is taking place, is guilty of a failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition.

(b) A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.

Uniform Code of Military Justice, Art. 94; 10 U.S.C. § 894 (2004).
No, I never said that it's illegal to force soliders to extend the contract agreement but disagree. Yes, I awared and already said at other threads at few years ago that I advised them to check those agreement contract with lawyer first before they sign.

Many soliders were furious because they decided to resign US Army soon before their contract agreement end... They were being force to sign extend the contract.

Why I disagree on this? Because they told soliders in first place that it's voluntarily... Really truth is it's not voluntarily what soliders thought. It turn into different soon after they signed the agreement contract. They told me that they questioned and make sure before they sign... All what they get positive answers and then sign... and turn into different... which is really sad... I told them that the word out of the mouth doesn't count but best thing is go to lawyer...

I volunteered to help a lot... I can stop what I want to - nobody trap me... because it's voluntarily. They should not say to soliders that it's voluntarliy in first place.

About my younger son, he told me that he want to be solider career and serve the country and defense for country, not attack other countries and remind me that Germany is not America. I told him no matter either Germany is America or not but still check with lawyer to make sure first before he agree and then sign.
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